SWC75
Bored Historian
- Joined
- Aug 26, 2011
- Messages
- 33,595
- Like
- 64,676
It occurred to me that with a new basketball season beginning I could do an “Against Ranked Teams” post for this sport, too. The margins of victory are similar to football. The formula is to first give each team that plays a ranked team from 1-25 points based on the ranking (I’ll use the writer’s poll) of their opponent. This chart shows you how many points they’d get for playing each team ranked at a certain level , (the ranking is first, the points, second):
1-25, 2-24, 3-23, 4-22, 5-21, 6-20, 7-19, 8-18, 9-17, 10-16, 11-15, 12-14, 13-13, 14-12, 15-11, 16-10, 17-9, 18-8, 19-7, 20-6, 21-5, 22-4, 23-3, 24-2, 25-1
I’ll call those “schedule points”. Then you look at the point differential in the game and apply it to the schedule points. If a team loses to the #1 ranked team by 10 points. They’d wind up with 15 points: 25 schedule points minus the ten points they lost by. If a team beats the #10 team by 5 points, they’d get 21 points: 16 schedule points plus the 5 points they won by. If a team lost to the #20 team by 6 points, they’d get nothing. The margin of defeat would cancel out their schedule points. If a team lost to the #25 team by 3 points, they get a zero. You can’t have negative points. You just failed in an attempt to get positive points.
I’ll figure the points based on games over the past week every Sunday and post them, along with cumulative season standings, just as I have done for football. As I said on that post, this is less a way of ranking than it is simply something you might want to look at in ranking them – or selecting them for a tournament. I recognize that rankings will change over the course of the season. I’m making the assumption that teams are worthy of the ranking they have at the time another team plays them. That may not always be true but a subsequent ranking may just reflect how good or bad a team has become since the game in question: they may have been as good as their ranking at the time.
WEEK TWELVE
Georgia Tech beat #6 Florida State 78-56 = 42 points
West Virginia beat #2 Kansas 85-69 = 40 points
Miami beat #9 North Carolina 77-62 = 32 points
Georgetown beat #16 Creighton 71-51 = 30 points
Syracuse beat #6 Florida State 82-72 = 30 points
Virginia beat #14 Notre Dame 71-54 = 29 points
Kansas beat #4 Kentucky 79-73 = 28 points
Marquette beat #1 Villanova 74-72 = 27 points
So. California beat #8 UCLA 84-76 = 26 points
Colorado beat #10 Oregon 74-65 = 25 points
Tennessee beat #4 Kentucky 82-80 = 24 points
Georgetown beat #11 Butler 85-81 = 18 points
Kentucky lost to #2 Kansas 73-79 = 18 points
Mississippi lost to #5 Baylor 75-78 = 18 points
Texas Tech lost to #5 Baylor 61-65 = 17 points
Georgia Tech beat #14 Notre Dame 62-60 = 14 points
North Carolina State beat #17 Duke = 11 points
Cincinnati beat #24 Xavier 86-78 = 10 points
Utah lost to #10 Oregon 67-73 = 10 points
Seton Hall lost to #11 Butler 54-61 = 8 points
Wake Forest lost to #17 Duke 83-85 = 7 points
Portland lost 64-83 to #3 Gonzaga = 4 points
Texas A&M lost to #18 West Virginia 77-81 = 4 points
Rutgers lost to #15 Wisconsin 54-61 = 3 points
Washington State lost to #7 Arizona 62-79 = 2 points
Comments: We finally broke through but did it in a week when a lot of teams won a lot of points, including our old pals Georgetown who came away with 48 points Georgia Tech, who we will play twice, with 56 points. That may help us a little bit with our resume but we still have a lot of work to do. At least we are one point ahead of St. John’s, (who has 29) and ten times as many as Rutgers (3). Meanwhile the 100 point level is starting look a bit crowded. The race for the top spot is really something.
Cumulative Totals
Top 25
Louisville 119 points
Baylor 118 points
Florida State 116 points
West Virginia 115 points
Butler 114 points
Kentucky 113 points
Georgia Tech 87 points
Georgetown 79 points
Creighton 78 points
North Carolina 76 points
Villanova 73 points
Marquette 72 points
Indiana 68 points
Arizona 67 points
Kansas 66 points
Virginia 61 points
Kansas State 60 points
Notre Dame 60 points
Colorado 59 points
Utah 59 points
Iowa State 55 points
South Carolina 54 points
Oregon 53 points
Gonzaga 52 points
Duke 51 points
Syracuse 30 points
1-25, 2-24, 3-23, 4-22, 5-21, 6-20, 7-19, 8-18, 9-17, 10-16, 11-15, 12-14, 13-13, 14-12, 15-11, 16-10, 17-9, 18-8, 19-7, 20-6, 21-5, 22-4, 23-3, 24-2, 25-1
I’ll call those “schedule points”. Then you look at the point differential in the game and apply it to the schedule points. If a team loses to the #1 ranked team by 10 points. They’d wind up with 15 points: 25 schedule points minus the ten points they lost by. If a team beats the #10 team by 5 points, they’d get 21 points: 16 schedule points plus the 5 points they won by. If a team lost to the #20 team by 6 points, they’d get nothing. The margin of defeat would cancel out their schedule points. If a team lost to the #25 team by 3 points, they get a zero. You can’t have negative points. You just failed in an attempt to get positive points.
I’ll figure the points based on games over the past week every Sunday and post them, along with cumulative season standings, just as I have done for football. As I said on that post, this is less a way of ranking than it is simply something you might want to look at in ranking them – or selecting them for a tournament. I recognize that rankings will change over the course of the season. I’m making the assumption that teams are worthy of the ranking they have at the time another team plays them. That may not always be true but a subsequent ranking may just reflect how good or bad a team has become since the game in question: they may have been as good as their ranking at the time.
WEEK TWELVE
Georgia Tech beat #6 Florida State 78-56 = 42 points
West Virginia beat #2 Kansas 85-69 = 40 points
Miami beat #9 North Carolina 77-62 = 32 points
Georgetown beat #16 Creighton 71-51 = 30 points
Syracuse beat #6 Florida State 82-72 = 30 points
Virginia beat #14 Notre Dame 71-54 = 29 points
Kansas beat #4 Kentucky 79-73 = 28 points
Marquette beat #1 Villanova 74-72 = 27 points
So. California beat #8 UCLA 84-76 = 26 points
Colorado beat #10 Oregon 74-65 = 25 points
Tennessee beat #4 Kentucky 82-80 = 24 points
Georgetown beat #11 Butler 85-81 = 18 points
Kentucky lost to #2 Kansas 73-79 = 18 points
Mississippi lost to #5 Baylor 75-78 = 18 points
Texas Tech lost to #5 Baylor 61-65 = 17 points
Georgia Tech beat #14 Notre Dame 62-60 = 14 points
North Carolina State beat #17 Duke = 11 points
Cincinnati beat #24 Xavier 86-78 = 10 points
Utah lost to #10 Oregon 67-73 = 10 points
Seton Hall lost to #11 Butler 54-61 = 8 points
Wake Forest lost to #17 Duke 83-85 = 7 points
Portland lost 64-83 to #3 Gonzaga = 4 points
Texas A&M lost to #18 West Virginia 77-81 = 4 points
Rutgers lost to #15 Wisconsin 54-61 = 3 points
Washington State lost to #7 Arizona 62-79 = 2 points
Comments: We finally broke through but did it in a week when a lot of teams won a lot of points, including our old pals Georgetown who came away with 48 points Georgia Tech, who we will play twice, with 56 points. That may help us a little bit with our resume but we still have a lot of work to do. At least we are one point ahead of St. John’s, (who has 29) and ten times as many as Rutgers (3). Meanwhile the 100 point level is starting look a bit crowded. The race for the top spot is really something.
Cumulative Totals
Top 25
Louisville 119 points
Baylor 118 points
Florida State 116 points
West Virginia 115 points
Butler 114 points
Kentucky 113 points
Georgia Tech 87 points
Georgetown 79 points
Creighton 78 points
North Carolina 76 points
Villanova 73 points
Marquette 72 points
Indiana 68 points
Arizona 67 points
Kansas 66 points
Virginia 61 points
Kansas State 60 points
Notre Dame 60 points
Colorado 59 points
Utah 59 points
Iowa State 55 points
South Carolina 54 points
Oregon 53 points
Gonzaga 52 points
Duke 51 points
Syracuse 30 points