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It occurred to me that with a new basketball season beginning I could do an “Against Ranked Teams” post for this sport, too. The margins of victory are similar to football. The formula is to first give each team that plays a ranked team from 1-25 points based on the ranking (I’ll use the writer’s poll) of their opponent. This chart shows you how many points they’d get for playing each team ranked at a certain level , (the ranking is first, the points, second):
1-25, 2-24, 3-23, 4-22, 5-21, 6-20, 7-19, 8-18, 9-17, 10-16, 11-15, 12-14, 13-13, 14-12, 15-11, 16-10, 17-9, 18-8, 19-7, 20-6, 21-5, 22-4, 23-3, 24-2, 25-1
I’ll call those “schedule points”. Then you look at the point differential in the game and apply it to the schedule points. If a team loses to the #1 ranked team by 10 points. They’d wind up with 15 points: 25 schedule points minus the ten points they lost by. If a team beats the #10 team by 5 points, they’d get 21 points: 16 schedule points plus the 5 points they won by. If a team lost to the #20 team by 6 points, they’d get nothing. The margin of defeat would cancel out their schedule points. If a team lost to the #25 team by 3 points, they get a zero. You can’t have negative points. You just failed in an attempt to get positive points.
I’ll figure the points based on games over the past week every Sunday and post them, along with cumulative season standings, just as I have done for football. As I said on that post, this is less a way of ranking than it is simply something you might want to look at in ranking them – or selecting them for a tournament. I recognize that rankings will change over the course of the season. I’m making the assumption that teams are worthy of the ranking they have at the time another team plays them. That may not always be true but a subsequent ranking may just reflect how good or bad a team has become since the game in question: they may have been as good as their ranking at the time.
WEEK SEVENTEEN
Virginia beat #5 North Carolina 53-43 = 31 points
Baylor beat #10 West Virginia 71-62 = 25 points
Michigan State beat #16 Wisconsin 84-74 = 20 points
Oklahoma State lost to #1 Kansas 85-90 = 20 points
Duke lost to #5 North Carolina 83-90 = 18 points
Duke beat #15 Florida State 75-70 = 16 points
North Carolina beat #17 Duke 90-83 = 16 points
Vanderbilt beat #12 Florida 73-71 = 16 points
Oklahoma lost to #1 Kansas 63-73 = 15 points
Central Florida beat #15 Cincinnati 53-49 = 15 points
Louisville beat #19 Notre Dame 71-64 = 14 points
Washington State lost to #3 UCLA 68-77 = 14 points
West Virginia beat #24 Iowa State 87-76 = 13 points
Notre Dame lost to #8 Louisville 64-71 = 11 points
Vanderbilt lost to #9 Kentucky 67-73 = 11 points
Wake Forest beat #8 Louisville 88-81 = 11 points
Florida State beat #25 U of Miami 66-57 = 10 points
Texas A&M lost to #9 Kentucky 63-71 = 9 points
Seton Hall beat #13 Butler 70-64 = 7 points
Arizona State lost to #7 Arizona 60-73 = 6 points
Iowa beat #22 Wisconsin 59-57 = 6 points
Virginia Tech beat #25 Miami 66-61 = 6 points
West Virginia lost to #11 Baylor 62-71 = 6 points
Iowa State lost to #10 West Virginia 76-87 = 5 points
Florida State lost to #17 Duke 70-75 = 4 points
Texas lost to #11 Baylor 64-75 = 4 points
U of Miami lost to #15 Florida State 57-66 = 2 points
Arkansas lost to #12 Florida 65-78 = 1 point
Georgia Tech lost to #21 Notre Dame 60-64 = 1 point
Comments: there were a lot of point-producing games but not a lot of “big ticket” items. Virginia got 31 from their North Carolina game and Baylor got 25 for beating West Virginia but nobody else got more than 20. Baylor’s output keeps them in first place, where they’ve been all season. Notre Dame joined the 100 point club.
Cumulative Totals
(I’ve decided to expand my Top 25 to a Top 68 plus any tie at the end, (not that a team’s record vs. ranked teams will be the only criteria), to list them in pods of 4 rather than 5 and to put the teams we have played or will play in bold.)
Baylor 182 points
North Carolina 171 points
Virginia 157 points
West Virginia 155 points
Duke 149 points
Butler 146 points
Kansas 142 points
Louisville 140 points
Kentucky 136 points
Florida State 130 points
Iowa State 112 points
Villanova 108 points
Kansas State 106 points
Creighton 105 points
Oregon 104 points
Notre Dame 102 points
Texas Tech 101 points
Georgetown 92 points
Miami (Florida) 88 points
Georgia Tech 88 points
Indiana 84 points
Syracuse 84 points
Arizona 83 points
UCLA 81 points
Marquette 75 points
Oklahoma 72 points
Virginia Tech 72 points
Gonzaga 68 points
Purdue 67 points
Florida 65 points
Oklahoma State 63 points
Utah 60 points
Colorado 59 points
Michigan 56 points
Ohio State 56 points
California (Berkley) 54 points
South Carolina 54 points
Southern California 50 points
Providence 51 points
Tennessee 50 points
Texas Christian 50 points
Vanderbilt 50 points
Iowa 49 points
Michigan State 49 points
Texas 49 points
Brigham Young 48 points
Nebraska 48 points
Minnesota 47 points
Pittsburgh 47 points
DePaul 45 points
Seton Hall 45 points
Wake Forest 45 points
North Carolina State 42 points
Clemson 38 points
St. John’s 38 points
Oklahoma State 37 points
Penn State 36 points
Wisconsin 36 points
Stanford 35 points
Xavier 35 points
Central Florida 33 points
Georgia 32 points
Arizona State 28 points
Texas-Arlington 28 points
Fort Wayne 26 points
Northwestern 26 points
Southern Methodist 26 points
Mississippi 23 points
Mississippi State 23 points
1-25, 2-24, 3-23, 4-22, 5-21, 6-20, 7-19, 8-18, 9-17, 10-16, 11-15, 12-14, 13-13, 14-12, 15-11, 16-10, 17-9, 18-8, 19-7, 20-6, 21-5, 22-4, 23-3, 24-2, 25-1
I’ll call those “schedule points”. Then you look at the point differential in the game and apply it to the schedule points. If a team loses to the #1 ranked team by 10 points. They’d wind up with 15 points: 25 schedule points minus the ten points they lost by. If a team beats the #10 team by 5 points, they’d get 21 points: 16 schedule points plus the 5 points they won by. If a team lost to the #20 team by 6 points, they’d get nothing. The margin of defeat would cancel out their schedule points. If a team lost to the #25 team by 3 points, they get a zero. You can’t have negative points. You just failed in an attempt to get positive points.
I’ll figure the points based on games over the past week every Sunday and post them, along with cumulative season standings, just as I have done for football. As I said on that post, this is less a way of ranking than it is simply something you might want to look at in ranking them – or selecting them for a tournament. I recognize that rankings will change over the course of the season. I’m making the assumption that teams are worthy of the ranking they have at the time another team plays them. That may not always be true but a subsequent ranking may just reflect how good or bad a team has become since the game in question: they may have been as good as their ranking at the time.
WEEK SEVENTEEN
Virginia beat #5 North Carolina 53-43 = 31 points
Baylor beat #10 West Virginia 71-62 = 25 points
Michigan State beat #16 Wisconsin 84-74 = 20 points
Oklahoma State lost to #1 Kansas 85-90 = 20 points
Duke lost to #5 North Carolina 83-90 = 18 points
Duke beat #15 Florida State 75-70 = 16 points
North Carolina beat #17 Duke 90-83 = 16 points
Vanderbilt beat #12 Florida 73-71 = 16 points
Oklahoma lost to #1 Kansas 63-73 = 15 points
Central Florida beat #15 Cincinnati 53-49 = 15 points
Louisville beat #19 Notre Dame 71-64 = 14 points
Washington State lost to #3 UCLA 68-77 = 14 points
West Virginia beat #24 Iowa State 87-76 = 13 points
Notre Dame lost to #8 Louisville 64-71 = 11 points
Vanderbilt lost to #9 Kentucky 67-73 = 11 points
Wake Forest beat #8 Louisville 88-81 = 11 points
Florida State beat #25 U of Miami 66-57 = 10 points
Texas A&M lost to #9 Kentucky 63-71 = 9 points
Seton Hall beat #13 Butler 70-64 = 7 points
Arizona State lost to #7 Arizona 60-73 = 6 points
Iowa beat #22 Wisconsin 59-57 = 6 points
Virginia Tech beat #25 Miami 66-61 = 6 points
West Virginia lost to #11 Baylor 62-71 = 6 points
Iowa State lost to #10 West Virginia 76-87 = 5 points
Florida State lost to #17 Duke 70-75 = 4 points
Texas lost to #11 Baylor 64-75 = 4 points
U of Miami lost to #15 Florida State 57-66 = 2 points
Arkansas lost to #12 Florida 65-78 = 1 point
Georgia Tech lost to #21 Notre Dame 60-64 = 1 point
Comments: there were a lot of point-producing games but not a lot of “big ticket” items. Virginia got 31 from their North Carolina game and Baylor got 25 for beating West Virginia but nobody else got more than 20. Baylor’s output keeps them in first place, where they’ve been all season. Notre Dame joined the 100 point club.
Cumulative Totals
(I’ve decided to expand my Top 25 to a Top 68 plus any tie at the end, (not that a team’s record vs. ranked teams will be the only criteria), to list them in pods of 4 rather than 5 and to put the teams we have played or will play in bold.)
Baylor 182 points
North Carolina 171 points
Virginia 157 points
West Virginia 155 points
Duke 149 points
Butler 146 points
Kansas 142 points
Louisville 140 points
Kentucky 136 points
Florida State 130 points
Iowa State 112 points
Villanova 108 points
Kansas State 106 points
Creighton 105 points
Oregon 104 points
Notre Dame 102 points
Texas Tech 101 points
Georgetown 92 points
Miami (Florida) 88 points
Georgia Tech 88 points
Indiana 84 points
Syracuse 84 points
Arizona 83 points
UCLA 81 points
Marquette 75 points
Oklahoma 72 points
Virginia Tech 72 points
Gonzaga 68 points
Purdue 67 points
Florida 65 points
Oklahoma State 63 points
Utah 60 points
Colorado 59 points
Michigan 56 points
Ohio State 56 points
California (Berkley) 54 points
South Carolina 54 points
Southern California 50 points
Providence 51 points
Tennessee 50 points
Texas Christian 50 points
Vanderbilt 50 points
Iowa 49 points
Michigan State 49 points
Texas 49 points
Brigham Young 48 points
Nebraska 48 points
Minnesota 47 points
Pittsburgh 47 points
DePaul 45 points
Seton Hall 45 points
Wake Forest 45 points
North Carolina State 42 points
Clemson 38 points
St. John’s 38 points
Oklahoma State 37 points
Penn State 36 points
Wisconsin 36 points
Stanford 35 points
Xavier 35 points
Central Florida 33 points
Georgia 32 points
Arizona State 28 points
Texas-Arlington 28 points
Fort Wayne 26 points
Northwestern 26 points
Southern Methodist 26 points
Mississippi 23 points
Mississippi State 23 points