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Message: [QUOTE="Owens guy, post: 5710276, member: 5156"] I agree. Red's first year had Mintz, Copeland, Maliq Brown, JJ, Cuffe, and Chris Bell on the roster. There was some talent there. Many of the 19 (or 20) wins were due to Mintz and/or Copeland not following Red's offensive plan. Mintz often looked right past Red and to his relative for on court instructions. I would argue that Red's head coaching career got off to a mediocre start due to the players not fearing Red's discipline right away. And I'm not even bringing up everything around Benny Williams that first season. [/QUOTE]