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Message: [QUOTE="upperdeck, post: 12298, member: 474"] I think that if you just looked at how the other teams were playing our chances of getting to 9-10 wins has gone way up.. When you look at how we are playing the chances go down.. I still think 7-8 is the number. But you have to beat toledo/Tulane.. The fact that OSU is an underdog to Miami that has no players left does make you wonder about Toledo a bit. If we let them stay around like RI we are in trouble. even the USC game is much more winnable now. Had both team been playing as expected we had less of a chance than we do now with both teams playing poorly.. We played a better PSU team with less talent and played to stay in the game.. I dont think he will feel the same about this game. Its the show case game in year 3 . The question is does getting blown out by throwing caution to the wind have a bigger effect on the Toledo game that just putting on a good show and keeping it close.. [/QUOTE]