All the people envious of teams with good seniors

[OttoinGrotto]

Really need to be in Kaleb's corner I think.

If you want guys to be good enough and seasoned enough to lead a tournament run as a senior they need to occupy an unusual place where they're good enough for important minutes and learn, but not so staggeringly talented that they should be playing at a level where they're getting paid.

 

[Briancuse]

Im not sold from what I have seen so far.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Im not sold from what I have seen so far.

I'm saying the so far is what gets you the senior that can take you where you want to go. So be patient with it.

 

[Cuse House]

I'm saying the so far is what gets you the senior that can take you where you want to go. So be patient with it.

You have a valid point that gets overlooked. Not every kid can be a one and done, some need a few years. Unfortunately we are an elite program and will bring in kids who are one and dones who will take time from Kaleb. It's the state of college basketball these days, freshman are expected to contribute at a high level in most top programs.

 

[Oakland]

We've had lots of good 4th yr seniors. What we are missing is freshmen who can contribute. Seems like almost every team in the NCAA has a freshman or two contributing. SU seems to be lucky if their sophomores can contribute. Ennis has been the exception over the last 6(?) years.

Really need to be in Kaleb's corner I think.

If you want guys to be good enough and seasoned enough to lead a tournament run as a senior they need to occupy an unusual place where they're good enough for important minutes and learn, but not so staggeringly talented that they should be playing at a level where they're getting paid.

 

[orangehomer]

Im not sold from what I have seen so far.

this guy isn't sold. I guess we are 'ed.

 

[orangehomer]

Really need to be in Kaleb's corner I think.

If you want guys to be good enough and seasoned enough to lead a tournament run as a senior they need to occupy an unusual place where they're good enough for important minutes and learn, but not so staggeringly talented that they should be playing at a level where they're getting paid.

are you telling me that the fanbase should be patient with true freshman playing point guard at high major level during a weird transition season? BLASPHEME.

 

[SoBeCuse]

OP is correct but just look at the losses a couple of other teams have endured. UCLA- loses THREE first round picks. Michigan State loses Payne, Appling, and Harris.

Just tired of excuses. I don't see it in Kaleb and I am giving him every benefit of the doubt. Again, OP is correct.

 

[Briancuse]

I'm saying the so far is what gets you the senior that can take you where you want to go. So be patient with it.

He might not even be our starting pg going forward. There is a good chance next year that silent G gets a majority of the minutes at the one. Maybe Kaleb improves, but I just didn't see a whole lot that I liked from him last year.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Kaleb was not supposed to see much of the floor this season. JB recruited him to learn behind Ennis. He knew he wasn't ready. Then Ennis left us in a pickle. I think Kaleb did well considering he wasn't supposed to be in the role he was this year. He was always a second year guy. Judge him on next season.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Frank Kaminsky averaged 1.8 points and shot 41 percent his freshman year. Freshman year production in no way shape or form predicts Senior year production. We have become incredibly impatient here.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Frank Kaminsky averaged 1.8 points and shot 41 percent his freshman year. Freshman year production in no way shape or form predicts Senior year production. We have become incredibly impatient here.

I wondered how long it would take before somebody looked that up. Had no idea his numbers were that low though.

 

[Brooky03]

Rakeem Christmas was not a good Center as a Freshman. He was borderline average as a Sophomore and improved little as a Junior.

And Roc was a McDonald's All-American. I know we can't anticipate a gigantic leap like what Roc experienced, but is it really crazy to think Joseph - who was thrown to the wolves much sooner than anticipated - can't contribute in a big way down the road?

If I'm crazy for thinking he can, you're crazy for thinking he can't.

 

[longislandcuse]

Really need to be in Kaleb's corner I think.

If you want guys to be good enough and seasoned enough to lead a tournament run as a senior they need to occupy an unusual place where they're good enough for important minutes and learn, but not so staggeringly talented that they should be playing at a level where they're getting paid.

But he wasn't good enough to be running our practice squad...

The story of Demetrious Jackson from ND gives me some hope though.

 

[longislandcuse]

Frank Kaminsky and Rakeem Christmas are both PF/C. Big difference in transition between big men and guards. Those 2 are not good comparisons.

 

[Brooky03]

Frank Kaminsky and Rakeem Christmas are both PF/C. Big difference in transition between big men and guards. Those 2 are not good comparisons.

I disagree. Each of these players always possessed the physical tools to be successful but lacked fundamentals and skill, to an extent. Yes, the skills required for a guard are different than the skills required for a big man, but the premise is the same. It wouldn't take too much digging to find a guard who struggled early in his career and became a contributor later.

If Joseph can slow the game down in his mind (which he should be well able to do), I think the change in his play will be significant. He's an above average athlete with good form on his jumper. Sprinkle in the confidence that comes with an extra year of work and add some strength and you have yourself a player.

 

[sufandu]

It's way too easy to think of these players as machines instead of people. Just because he doesn't play the same position as some guys that are examples of having great development over 4 years doesn't mean he can't. At the same time, just because other players develop doesn't mean he's guaranteed to. By all accounts he's a hard worker and is passionate about getting better. Let's cut him a break and hope he's Frank Kaminsky at point guard for us. If he's not, he'll be recruited over and we'll all forget him. There's no reason to draw definite conclusions about him after one year.

 

[orangecuse]

I think Kaleb will get physically stronger and improve. Just getting stronger will help his confidence greatly, which, with improved confidence should help with his shooting since that's generally a confidence thing as well. In watching him play this year, my biggest concern (as a point guard) is his relative poor handle, which includes his very high dribble, especially when he's guarded tightly and in traffic. To me, a serious red flag. Since he has had this high dribble his entire life, it's what he knows, that habit will be extremely difficult to break at this level...

 

[jec1521]

We've had lots of good 4th yr seniors. What we are missing is freshmen who can contribute. Seems like almost every team in the NCAA has a freshman or two contributing. SU seems to be lucky if their sophomores can contribute. Ennis has been the exception over the last 6(?) years.

Is this post serious?

Flynn didn't contribute as a frosh? How about Triche? Dion? Fair? Keita?

And lucky if our sophomores contribute???? We've had some of the best sophomores in the nation the past 6(?) years.

We need senior guards. When we do we do well. Scoop and Triche most recently.

 

[Millhouse]

Really need to be in Kaleb's corner I think.

If you want guys to be good enough and seasoned enough to lead a tournament run as a senior they need to occupy an unusual place where they're good enough for important minutes and learn, but not so staggeringly talented that they should be playing at a level where they're getting paid.

staggeringly talented is better

 

[OttoinGrotto]

staggeringly talented is better

I agree. That said, a lot of people on the board last year watched UCONN and thought the secret sauce was to have short guards stay 4 years because they weren't good enough to go pro any sooner, so...

 

[Oakland]

That you have to go back 4, 5, 6, and 8 years for examples, pretty much proves my point. We need more Fairs.

Is this post serious?

Flynn didn't contribute as a frosh? How about Triche? Dion? Fair? Keita?

And lucky if our sophomores contribute???? We've had some of the best sophomores in the nation the past 6(?) years.

We need senior guards. When we do we do well. Scoop and Triche most recently.

 

[NineOneSeven]

He played in the s16 game against us but only a little.

Frank Kaminsky averaged 1.8 points and shot 41 percent his freshman year. Freshman year production in no way shape or form predicts Senior year production. We have become incredibly impatient here.

 

[ImperialOrange]

We're getting recruits that are super talented, but not quite ready to carry a team as frosh/soph. The problem is the NBA grades on potential so they get 1st round grades yet the best we get is 2nd round production recently. The players would be foolish to turn away a 1st round draft grade but SU would benefit huge if they stayed 1 more year. Imagine if MCW, Ennis, Grant, Fab, Flynn, or Greene had given SU one more season? It's a weird state of limbo that we've been in talent wise.

 

[SBU72]

Really need to be in Kaleb's corner I think.

If you want guys to be good enough and seasoned enough to lead a tournament run as a senior they need to occupy an unusual place where they're good enough for important minutes and learn, but not so staggeringly talented that they should be playing at a level where they're getting paid.

The old Dean Smith / UNC model was the best. Stock pile talent so the team stars were seniors and allow kids to grow into there roles. Works wonderful until a) a kid by the name of Michael Jordan comes along who is better than everybody on the team (and even he had exceptional players around him) and b) kids leave BEFORE they get to be seniors at the mere mention of a NBAS career. Yeah its wonderful to have senior lead teams but you can't expect fans to sit AND WATCH the development play 20 minutes a game and not complain.