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am I the only one who can't bring themselves to hate ND?

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i never drank the kool aid but i can't hate them. where i grew up was 75% catholic, i'm guessing. the irish sideliked that they were the fighting irish, all the italians on the other side were serious catholics. it was ND or Army for a lot of the real old timers.

2 hours away was just far enough away from syracuse where people defaulted to ND. ND was on TV all the time, they were good, so that's who they rooted for.

syracuse basketball got me into it. i root for home teams, I don't root for teams in indiana. took a while for SU football to be on TV enough to really get into it. but i can't bring myself to hate the team that all my relatives like.
 
I hate teams who have a legion fans who have no connection to the school itself. I also hate teams who are national tv every week even though they are mediocre 90% of the time. I guess it's the perfect storm.
Duke and the cowboys fall into the same category.
 
I hate teams who have a legion fans who have no connection to the school itself. I also hate teams who are national tv every week even though they are mediocre 90% of the time. I guess it's the perfect storm.
Duke and the cowboys fall into the same category.
lots of old ND fans do have that religious connection though. their less religious kids might still root for the team their dad got them hooked on. it's not a strong connection but better than duke and the cowboys which i'm totally on board with hating
 
Millhouse said:
lots of old ND fans do have that religious connection though. their less religious kids might still root for the team their dad got them hooked on
That's true. I was also raised by a diehard SU fan with blind rage towards ND, so I am biased.
 
I hate teams who have a legion fans who have no connection to the school itself. I also hate teams who are national tv every week even though they are mediocre 90% of the time. I guess it's the perfect storm.
Duke and the cowboys fall into the same category.

I grew up in Syracuse and a lot of folks that had a pretty strong hatred for ND. Some old timers would talk about a controversial game between SU and ND back in the 50s that ended up ending the series between the two (or so the story goes).
 
i never drank the kool aid but i can't hate them. where i grew up was 75% catholic, i'm guessing. the irish sideliked that they were the fighting irish, all the italians on the other side were serious catholics. it was ND or Army for a lot of the real old timers.

2 hours away was just far enough away from syracuse where people defaulted to ND. ND was on TV all the time, they were good, so that's who they rooted for.

syracuse basketball got me into it. i root for home teams, I don't root for teams in indiana. took a while for SU football to be on TV enough to really get into it. but i can't bring myself to hate the team that all my relatives like.
The 1987 Heisman vote sealed the deal for me. Nowhere near as bad as the 1956 vote but bad nonetheless.
 
Pearl309 perfectly summarized my feelings. Any team with a legion of overly obnoxious fans rooting for a team for seemingly non football reasons is easy to dislike.
 
It's OK Milly. 2/3's of the people who claim to be Orange fans have split loyalties. Wolves in sheep's clothing . They are always creating dissension on Syracuse fan boards and are hypercritical and generally are not REAL supporters of the team.
 
r waste your whole life as a midget defensive end for one moment, congrats. go find something you might actually be good at for more than 2 seconds of your life.
He didn't waste his whole life. He went to school and got a degree at the same time he was a walk-on. He also didn't play football for just 2 seconds. He practiced every day and worked his tail off according to all who knew him. Many walk-ons don't play in games. They just like playing the game and get joy out of it. Sometimes people just enjoy doing something...even if they are not among the best doing it.
 
CousCuse said:
It's OK Milly. 2/3's of the people who claim to be Orange fans have split loyalties. Wolves in sheep's clothing . They are always creating dissension on Syracuse fan boards and are hypercritical and generally are not REAL supporters of the team.
Ok thanks for your usual smart contribution
 
CousCuse said:
It's OK Milly. 2/3's of the people who claim to be Orange fans have split loyalties. Wolves in sheep's clothing . They are always creating dissension on Syracuse fan boards and are hypercritical and generally are not REAL supporters of the team.

BS
 
He didn't waste his whole life. He went to school and got a degree at the same time he was a walk-on. He also didn't play football for just 2 seconds. He practiced every day and worked his tail off according to all who knew him. Many walk-ons don't play in games. They just like playing the game and get joy out of it. Sometimes people just enjoy doing something...even if they are not among the best doing it.
But he didn't deserve a movie. Especially one that plays fast and loose with the facts.
 
i never drank the kool aid but i can't hate them. where i grew up was 75% catholic, i'm guessing. the irish sideliked that they were the fighting irish, all the italians on the other side were serious catholics. it was ND or Army for a lot of the real old timers.

2 hours away was just far enough away from syracuse where people defaulted to ND. ND was on TV all the time, they were good, so that's who they rooted for.

syracuse basketball got me into it. i root for home teams, I don't root for teams in indiana. took a while for SU football to be on TV enough to really get into it. but i can't bring myself to hate the team that all my relatives like.



On Sundays I watched ND Football with Lindsey Nelson and Paul Horning - always fun.

I loved the Ara Parseghian teams - tough, blue collar teams that could run and throw the ball.

I thought it was great when they beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl New Years Eve 1973 with Tom Clements for the National Championship.

And I rooted for the Lou Holtz teams - always loved his option offense and his football acumen.

I began to dislike ND when the school became a financially selfish - when it used the Big East while refusing to participate as a football member of the conference. It could have saved the conference but simply refused to do so.

It has taken the same approach with the ACC - more or less.

I really don't like ND Football anymore.
 
agree with the above except rudy totally bs-

He applied to Notre Dame, but due to his marginal grades he had to do his early college work at nearby Holy Cross College. Though he was not a member in college, he was a 2009 special initiate of the Kappa Sigma Fraternity.

After two years at Holy Cross, Ruettiger was accepted as a student at Notre Dame on his fourth try, in the fall of 1974.

Ruettiger harbored a dream to play for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team, despite being undersized at merely 5'6" and 185 pounds.

After working as hard as possible and showing that he was willing to work as much as he needed to, Ruettiger earned a place on the Notre Dame scout team, a practice squad that helps the varsity team practice for games.

After the 1974 season, Notre Dame coach Parseghian stepped down, and former Green Bay Packers coach Dan Devine was named head coach. In Ruettiger's last opportunity to play for Notre Dame at home, Devine put him into a game as defensive end against Georgia Tech on November 8, 1975. In the final play of Ruettiger's senior season with the Fighting Irish, he recorded a sack, which is all his Notre Dame stat line has ever shown. Ruettiger was carried off the field by his teammates following the game.
 
He applied to Notre Dame, but due to his marginal grades he had to do his early college work at nearby Holy Cross College. Though he was not a member in college, he was a 2009 special initiate of the Kappa Sigma Fraternity.

After two years at Holy Cross, Ruettiger was accepted as a student at Notre Dame on his fourth try, in the fall of 1974.

Ruettiger harbored a dream to play for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team, despite being undersized at merely 5'6" and 185 pounds.

After working as hard as possible and showing that he was willing to work as much as he needed to, Ruettiger earned a place on the Notre Dame scout team, a practice squad that helps the varsity team practice for games.

After the 1974 season, Notre Dame coach Parseghian stepped down, and former Green Bay Packers coach Dan Devine was named head coach. In Ruettiger's last opportunity to play for Notre Dame at home, Devine put him into a game as defensive end against Georgia Tech on November 8, 1975. In the final play of Ruettiger's senior season with the Fighting Irish, he recorded a sack, which is all his Notre Dame stat line has ever shown. Ruettiger was carried off the field by his teammates following the game.
Isn't he in jail?
 
Forbes...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanv...tiger-i-shouldnt-have-been-chasing-the-money/

6/11/2012 @ 10:43AM 42,699 views


Rudy Ruettiger: I Shouldn't Have Been Chasing The Money

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Last year the Securities & Exchange Commission charged Ruettiger with securities fraud, alleging that Ruettiger participated in a pump-and-dump scheme involving his sports drink company that generated $11 million of illicit profits. Ruettiger in December agreed to pay $382,866 to resolve the charges, which he did not admit or deny.

In his new book, “Rudy: My Story,” Ruettiger accepts responsibility for his role in the stock fraud. “I fell into the same obvious trap the rest of the country had fallen into in all of those boom years,” writes Ruettiger in an advanced copy of his book. “I shouldn’t have been chasing the money.”

Ruettiger’s new book is being published by Thomas Nelson, which specializes in religious-themed books, and is scheduled to be released this fall. Ruettiger signed the book deal before the SEC charges became public in December with an eye for it to come out in time for the 20th anniversary of the “Rudy” movie.

Ruettiger spends a few pages near the end of the book dealing with the damage done to his reputation as an inspirational hero. The way Ruettiger tells it, he lost his way and became corrupted in the late 2000s, searching for quick fixes and tempted by easy money. Ruettiger says he borrowed against his expensiveLas Vegas home and sunk the proceeds into building projects that failed during the real estate bust. According to Ruettiger, he lost all of the money in the housing bust that he had saved up from his career as an inspirational speaker following release of the movie “Rudy.”

After losing his shirt, Ruettiger says he was approached with the idea of promoting a sports drink that would be branded “Rudy.” He thought it could become the next Vitamin Water, which sold to Coca-Cola for $4.1 billion back in 1997. “That’s ‘billion’— with a ‘B’,” Ruettiger writes. When things didn’t work out, however, Ruettiger says he kept thinking of the “easy-street life of living off of those beverage profits” and decided to reverse merger his company into the stock market. “I will spare you the finer details of what happened,” he writes. “But the Securities and Exchange Commission (the S.E.C.) eventually came knocking.”

Some might find Ruettiger’s effort to deal with his recent stock fraud history to be confusing and insufficient. Nowhere in the book does he apologize or express remorse to those that the stock scam harmed—investors who were deceived into buying a stock that was artificially being inflated by a fraudulent promotion. In addition, while many people lost their life savings in the real estate bust, few became stock scammers as a result.

Also, Ruettiger’s time line is contradicted by the SEC’s enforcement action against him. Ruettiger clearly states in the advance copy of his book that the sports drink idea came to him in 2008 when the housing bust was well under way. Ruettiger writes: “It was right around this same time, in 2008, when I started to hear people talk about tremendous profits being made all over the place in the sports drink and energy drink markets. So my ears perked up when a business idea came my way: A plan to create a first class sports drink.” But according to the SEC’s complaint Ruettiger was already CEO of Rudy Beverage and running it out of South Bend, Indiana, in October 2007.


But perhaps the most confusing line of logic to follow is Ruettiger’s claim that something changed when he took his eye off the ball with the drink venture and focused on money instead of focusing on a dream. Throughout the book Ruettiger is preoccupied with money. While selling insurance in the late 1970s he gets excited that “my bank account kept growing” and that he “cleared $40,000 in a single year!” After scoring speaking gigs following the movie release he writes: “suddenly, I was making more money than I ever had in my life. Thousands of dollars per speech. Thousands. In time, I found that I could make more money from a single corporate speech than my father ever made in a month at the oil refinery. I could make more money in a single week, if I hustled, than I used to be proud to make in an entire year! I had no idea that speakers were paid so well when I got started. And I was blown away by the fact that I could get paid the same amount of money for a speech no matter how long the speech was.”

Nevertheless, for Ruettiger it wasn’t enough. He claims that during his speaking career money wasn’t his motivation, rather his motivation was to inspire people and the money was a side effect. There is nothing wrong with making money, of course, as long as you are not ripping people off and committing securities law violations. Now, maybe Ruettiger can make some more cash selling his book.
 
i never drank the kool aid but i can't hate them. where i grew up was 75% catholic, i'm guessing. the irish sideliked that they were the fighting irish, all the italians on the other side were serious catholics. it was ND or Army for a lot of the real old timers.

2 hours away was just far enough away from syracuse where people defaulted to ND. ND was on TV all the time, they were good, so that's who they rooted for.

syracuse basketball got me into it. i root for home teams, I don't root for teams in indiana. took a while for SU football to be on TV enough to really get into it. but i can't bring myself to hate the team that all my relatives like.

I loathe them. And I'm Irish Catholic.
 

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