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Message: [QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 1524633, member: 2585"] I'm not arguing which was more fun as a fan or importance after Greg Robinson. It was all of those things. I'm saying which was more impressive? Beating up on the 100+ ranked SOS, two FCS schools with a pretty bad offense? Winning with an entirely new offensive staff save a WR coach, a first time HC, a new defensive staff, a first time QB, in a brand new conference, vs the 46th ranked SOS? Both teams beat a P5 team in their bowl games in the 4th Q. Both teams featured a far better defense than offense. I might walk back "better" to "similar" ... But I think Marrone gets too much credit for 2010 and Shafer too little for 2013 (and maybe not enough for a defense that carried the 2010 team too ;)) [/QUOTE]