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[QUOTE="Zelda Zonk, post: 144673, member: 966"]
Once again, i'll ask you to present us with some manner of MEASURING Fine's contribution. You can't do it. Unless you're claiming omniscience and can envision a forked reality in which Fab develops under Fine and also, simultaneously, under another coach, and the Fine+Fab player is better than the X+Fab player.
 
Secondly, in every example you provided above, you cite someone with DEMONSTRABLE results. It's not at all an apt comparison. What you're speculating (guessing) on is that "Manhattan" could not possibly have been a better Woody Allen film if Mariel Hemingway had a different acting coach. 
 
You're giving Fine the benefit of the doubt, without even realizing there is a doubt. And, after a long career of abusing children, i'm still stuck trying to understand why someone - here - would still be trying to fluff his resumé. 
 
"We're still talking about what actually happened and who deserves credit for that." 
Again... [B]You have no idea what actually happened[/B]. None. Crediting Fine for Warrick is like crediting who ever was the guards coach at Carolina for Michael Jordan.
 
"Melo is the latest in a series of big men who have shown considerable improvement as sophomores. The one constant in all that time has been Fine."
So, what happened to all of the big men who didn't show marked (or 'sufficient') improvement on Fine's watch? I'm not going to name names, but it's inconsistent thinking to not present the flip side of the coin. In those instances, though, i suppose it was the players' faults. Right? How many centers do we have in the NBA right now?
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