Anyone watching UVA / GT

[PhatOrange]

UVA is going to lose today but they're not going to embarrass themselves, should only be down 14-3 first half.

I'm curious why UVA hasn't been playing a 3-4 ? 4-3 and 5-2. I'm still so po'd our game plan was the 3-4. I just don't get it.

UVA's offense looks like an offense to as they've moved the ball.

Still disgusted. If there's anymore gumpesque games this season forget it.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

UVA is 2-5 and in their 4th year of the London era, he is a hell of a recruiter though. I understand how bad the loss is but every match up is different.

 

[PhatOrange]

Oops make that 14-10. UVA is terrible yet they look competent today against GT. our gameplan was so bad it makes me HAVE to question their ability. You don't see UVA playing a 3-4, yet they're plugging the middle and still able to get outside and contain the option.

Our gameplan was so bad I'm still just sick about it.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Oops make that 14-10. UVA is terrible yet they look competent today against GT. our gameplan was so bad it makes me HAVE to question their ability. You don't see UVA playing a 3-4, yet they're plugging the middle and still able to get outside and contain the option.

Our gameplan was so bad I'm still just sick about it.

They also play gt every year. Game plan would have been genius if it worked!!!.
I just think we as fans tremendously over estimate the talent and our place in college football these days. I admit the coaching hasn't been very good either but we just aren't a very good program, can't attract great coaches or talent for that matter. I don't think you will see a better staff than we had last year in some time. I think 7-5 is the ceiling for the foreseeable future, this year 6-6

Yes, I think Marrone was that good. Very good. Mediocre staff, no qb or wr, equals doom in today's game. You can get away with piss poor d, look at so many of these teams, we are 15 years behind in our approach to the game. Only teams successful with smash mouth football have exceptional talent

 

[upperdeck]

yup.. and GT only has 210 yds rushing in the first half, 260 total.. more than we allowed.. and thats including GT has 4 to's in the first half and Virg has 230 yds of offense and GT has only had the ball for 11 min..

 

[PhatOrange]

They also play gt every year.

That's part of the point though. Who the were we scouting that made our coaches think the 3-4 would work? Nobody ive seen has played a 3-4 against against Tech, nobody.

Tech has also lost 22 games over the past 4 years. Did we watch any of those games?

 

[PhatOrange]

yup.. and GT only has 210 yds rushing in the first half, 260 total.. more than we allowed.. and thats including GT has 4 to's in the first half and Virg has 230 yds of offense and GT has only had the ball for 11 min..

And yet he only stat that matters is the scoreboard.

UVA just got stopped on the goal line to go up at half.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I thought this was going to be about UVA wearing orange jerseys...maybe that's the secret

 

[anomander]

That's part of the point though. Who the were we scouting that made our coaches think the 3-4 would work? Nobody ive seen has played a 3-4 against against Tech, nobody.

Tech has also lost 22 games over the past 4 years. Did we watch any of those games?

I have heard they were working with someone who allegedly was an option "specialist". Possibly the reason absolute 0 adjustments were made

 

[JeremyCuse]

I have heard they were working with someone who allegedly was an option "specialist". Possibly the reason absolute 0 adjustments were made

They specialized in not stopping anything.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

That's part of the point though. Who the were we scouting that made our coaches think the 3-4 would work? Nobody ive seen has played a 3-4 against against Tech, nobody.

Tech has also lost 22 games over the past 4 years. Did we watch any of those games?

Meathead coaching personified...

 

[longislandcuse]

I have heard they were working with someone who allegedly was an option "specialist". Possibly the reason absolute 0 adjustments were made

Ga Tech isn't some juggernaut that we needed to go out and work with an "option specialist". Maybe we should have hired one of the many college coaches who figured out how to solve Ga Tech's voodoo offense in the past few years where Ga Tech been nothing more than average.

I don't even want to talk about this anymore from the fact we worked on this game since the summer to perhaps us bringing in an option specialist just makes me more and more embarrassed for our coaching staff.

 

[upperdeck]

and now Gt up to 350 and 9 yds a carry..

 

[upperdeck]

this also shows that a team wont look as good when they have 5 To's and 9 penalties. Our D played poorly but also played about the same as every team has against GT this year.. we lost because of the Offense regardless of how many we allowed.

 

[anomander]

this also shows that a team wont look as good when they have 5 To's and 9 penalties. Our D played poorly but also played about the same as every team has against GT this year.. we lost because of the Offense regardless of how many we allowed.

i totally disagree. that game was on the defense. the offense moved the ball the first 3 possessions, but the defense didn't get a single stop other then the lucky INT the whole 1st half. We had to change our game plan when your down 21-0 in the 1st qtr

 

[PhatOrange]

and now Gt up to 350 and 9 yds a carry..

And yet the score is 28-25.

Ok fine, gt has 5 tos and 9 penalties yada yada and or offense lost the game. Lets talk offense then. UVA has 32 first downs and nearly 500 yards. What's the excuse for our offense?

Our defensive gAme plan gave us no chance.

 

[HtownOrange]

GT didn't have the referees in their pocket today. Last week, they couldn't draw a flag even when there were blatant violations and we couldn't go a series without a flag even even though some of the calls were imagined. GT would have beaten us anyway, but last week kind of shows how the referees can impact a game even when they don't have to.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Why are you so hell bent on proving that gt is no good? Nobody said they are world beaters, but their offense presents some real challenges and they kicked the snot out of us last weekend. Their losses are all to respectable programs. We sucked last weekend but I do think GT has better athletes, scheme, and coaching and it showed. I think people here vastly underrate acc talent versus big east

 

[HtownOrange]

Why are you so hell bent on proving that gt is no good? Nobody said they are world beaters, but their offense presents some real challenges and they kicked the snot out of us last weekend. Their losses are all to respectable programs. We sucked last weekend but I do think GT has better athletes, scheme, and coaching and it showed. I think people here vastly underrate acc talent versus big east

I don't think you were talking to me, I agree, GATech has better athletes. They outplayed us and if the referees had used the rule book, they still would have won. Even if HCSS had played our normal aggressive defense with some fine tuning to adjust for the option game, GATech would have won. Their offense beat our defense. Our offense apparently didn't get the message there was a game last week. Perfect GATech storm.

 

[kcsu]

Guys we were out coached. Coaching this year has sucked period and im a huge fan of HCSS. I

He needs to look at every coach on staff and make some changes. Our DB coach is horrible not too sold on Moore after this year also realizing that he cant recruit at a very high level. Kool kid is ICE COLD and lets not even talk about our DC who only gives up about 35 a game for his career. We have the money to attract very good coaches and we need to attract them. Increasing attendance by 10k a game takes care of a ton of pay increases. This staff really needs to look in the mirror

 

[HtownOrange]

Guys we were out coached. Coaching this year has sucked period and im a huge fan of HCSS. I

He needs to look at every coach on staff and make some changes. Our DB coach is horrible not too sold on Moore after this year also realizing that he cant recruit at a very high level. Kool kid is ICE COLD and lets not even talk about our DC who only gives up about 35 a game for his career. We have the money to attract very good coaches and we need to attract them. Increasing attendance by 10k a game takes care of a ton of pay increases. This staff really needs to look in the mirror

I agree, we were out coached, but these guys also won some games. They were put together late and the old staff was gutted. I am willing to see what happens and I wold not go for a wholesale change of staff, which would make us more like Pittsburg over the last few years (since the 'stache was fired) and we would get nowhere.

One quick point on recruiting is that unless a kid is loyal or otherwise completely sold on SU, there is no way we are getting 5 star kids here until we have a winning reputation again. Even kids who want to play now, want to go where they can win. Blaming this coach or that coach for not sealing the deal with a recruit is rough until we have the reputation of winning routinely. As our recruiting has steadily improved annually since Marrone stopped by, I am willing to see what HCSS and Co. do next season. If that is ugly, then changes will need to be made.

I do think we have better QBs in the system and they are red shirting. One may very well start next season as Hunt is not likely to improve vastly on his arm or his reads. We have been building depth and everyone is still adjusting to changes in coaching staff and loss of really outstanding team leaders from last season's team. We want 10+ win seasons NOW, but we are still getting there. Four negative seasons in a row (seven if you count P's last two and Marrone's first) is a huge deficit to overcome.

 

[anomander]

I agree, we were out coached, but these guys also won some games. They were put together late and the old staff was gutted. I am willing to see what happens and I wold not go for a wholesale change of staff, which would make us more like Pittsburg over the last few years (since the 'stache was fired) and we would get nowhere.

One quick point on recruiting is that unless a kid is loyal or otherwise completely sold on SU, there is no way we are getting 5 star kids here until we have a winning reputation again. Even kids who want to play now, want to go where they can win. Blaming this coach or that coach for not sealing the deal with a recruit is rough until we have the reputation of winning routinely. As our recruiting has steadily improved annually since Marrone stopped by, I am willing to see what HCSS and Co. do next season. If that is ugly, then changes will need to be made.

I do think we have better QBs in the system and they are red shirting. One may very well start next season as Hunt is not likely to improve vastly on his arm or his reads. We have been building depth and everyone is still adjusting to changes in coaching staff and loss of really outstanding team leaders from last season's team. We want 10+ win seasons NOW, but we are still getting there. Four negative seasons in a row (seven if you count P's last two and Marrone's first) is a huge deficit to overcome.

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first off i want to say i still believe Shafer can get this job done, he just has to make a few changes. But still the coaching change thing can't be used as an excuse. Several other schools had total staff make overs, much more severe then us, and are competing with less talent in some cases, and against better competition in other cases. Look at what Addazzio is doing at BC, and they were one of the worst BCS schools in the country last season. he came in with a plan on how he needed to attack recruiting, and did a total make over of the whole program. They have very little talent and have been competitive in every game, while picking up some nice wins along the way. Same goes for Tennessee. While it's easy to say they have more talent, they also have to go up against some strong programs. Texas Tech with Klingsbury is undefeated, and Guz Malzahn isn't far behind. The coaching staff turnover cannot be used as an excuse, especially since our coach has been here for the past 4 years. Good coaches make it happen, plain and simple.

 

[HtownOrange]

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first off i want to say i still believe Shafer can get this job done, he just has to make a few changes. But still the coaching change thing can't be used as an excuse. Several other schools had total staff make overs, much more severe then us, and are competing with less talent in some cases, and against better competition in other cases. Look at what Addazzio is doing at BC, and they were one of the worst BCS schools in the country last season. he came in with a plan on how he needed to attack recruiting, and did a total make over of the whole program. They have very little talent and have been competitive in every game, while picking up some nice wins along the way. Same goes for Tennessee. While it's easy to say they have more talent, they also have to go up against some strong programs. Texas Tech with Klingsbury is undefeated, and Guz Malzahn isn't far behind. The coaching staff turnover cannot be used as an excuse, especially since our coach has been here for the past 4 years. Good coaches make it happen, plain and simple.

I agree with you in principle, but I do differ in that our staff was put together after the season when the best coaching talent was already committed elsewhere. HCSS used band aids to stop the bleeding. If these guys mature, then we should keep the band together. If not, then make the necessary changes.

 

[PhatOrange]

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first off i want to say i still believe Shafer can get this job done, he just has to make a few changes. But still the coaching change thing can't be used as an excuse. Several other schools had total staff make overs, much more severe then us, and are competing with less talent in some cases, and against better competition in other cases. Look at what Addazzio is doing at BC, and they were one of the worst BCS schools in the country last season. he came in with a plan on how he needed to attack recruiting, and did a total make over of the whole program. They have very little talent and have been competitive in every game, while picking up some nice wins along the way. Same goes for Tennessee. While it's easy to say they have more talent, they also have to go up against some strong programs. Texas Tech with Klingsbury is undefeated, and Guz Malzahn isn't far behind. The coaching staff turnover cannot be used as an excuse, especially since our coach has been here for the past 4 years. Good coaches make it happen, plain and simple.

Our guy is a first year HC though and to make matters worse or OC is a rookie to boot. Addazio cut his teeth at temple.

 

[rosconey]

I agree with you in principle, but I do differ in that our staff was put together after the season when the best coaching talent was already committed elsewhere. HCSS used band aids to stop the bleeding. If these guys mature, then we should keep the band together. If not, then make the necessary changes.

no he hired his pals from his first dc job-
they all do it- very few are smart enough to find the best guy not the guy i knew before-

the dc is complete and utter trash- its a undisputed fact

the db coach must not even show up because his kids play lost week after week- self taught is my best guess

hcss wanted a great recruiter and sold the oc position for one-eieio

moore is a alum but if he cant recruit and is suspect as a coach- cut him move on

we are a total clusterfudge right now at everything but punting-
team looks more and more great guru like every week and that scares me more than anything