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I called Alex Plavin’s post game show to suggest that this year’s team is not last year’s team and thus should not be charged with completing the “unfinished business” of last year’s team. I compared this year’s team more to the team two years ago that got off to an 18-0 start with a #3 ranking and wound up 27-8 and losing in the second round of the NCAAs. Fab Melo and Dion Waiters were ineffective that year but blossomed as stars the next year. He felt that this year’s team was “much better” than that team. Is it? Here are the per 40 minute and “net point” numbers form those teams, with my comments:
CENTERS
2010-11
Rick Jackson
35.6m 14.7p 11.6r 2.5a 1.5s 2.8b 33.1+ 4.3mfg 2.1mft 2.3to 2.3pf 11.0- = 22.1NP 8.3OE 13.8FG
Fab Melo
9.9m 9.4p 7.8r 1.0a 1.2s 3.1b 22.5+ 2.7mfg 2.0mft 3.1to 7.3pf 15.1- = 7.4NP 4.7OE 2.7FG
Baye Moussa Keita
14.6m 6.0p 10.3r 0.5a 1.6s 3.4b 21.8+ 1.9mfg 1.3mft 1.6to 5.9pf 10.7- = 11.1NP 2.8OE 8.3FG
2012-13
Rakeem Christmas
22.1m 11.9p 10.0r 0.5a 1.0s 3.6b = 27.0+ 3.9mfg 2.6mft 1.4to 3.9pf = 11.8- = 15.2NP 5.4OE 9.8FG
Baye Moussa Keita
14.4m 10.1p 10.8r 0.4a 1.8s 3.2b = 26.3+ 1.9mfg 1.9mft 1.7to 6.5pf = 26.3- = 14.3NP 6.3OE 7.9FG
DaJuan Coleman
14.0m 14.3p 12.5r 0.4a 1.6s 1.3b = 30.1+ 6.9mfg 4.6mft 3.2to 3.7pf = 18.4- = 11.7NP 2.8OE 8.9FG
Comments: All three of our centers are better than Fab and Baye were as freshman but this team could sure use a Rick Jackson down low.
FORWARDS
2010-11
Kris Joseph
32.4m 17.6p 6.5r 2.7a 1.9s 0.8b 29.5+ 6.8mfg 1.9mft 2.7to 2.3pf 13.7- = 15.8NP 8.9OE 6.9FG
CJ Fair
18.6m 13.7p 8.2r 0.9a 1.7s 1.7b 26.2+ 4.6mfg 1.7mft 1.8to 2.6pf 10.7- = 15.5NP 7.4OE 8.1FG
James Southerland
14.1m 13.7p 6.4r 1.3a 1.4s 1.6b 24.4+ 7.0mfg 0.3mft 0.6to 3.5pf 11.4- = 13.0NP 6.4OE 6.6FG
2012-13
CJ Fair
32.5m 16.5p 8.8r 0.7a 1.2s 1.3b = 28.5+ 6.7mfg 0.9mft 1.7to 2.0pf = 11.3- = 17.2NP 8.9OE 8.3FG
James Southerland
26.3m 20.8p 7.9r 1.9a 2.0s 1.5b = 34.1+ 8.2mfg 0.6mft 1.6to 3.0pf = 13.4- = 20.7NP 12.0OE 8.7FG
Jerami Grant
14.9m 13.6p 7.7r 1.2a 1.2s 1.3b = 25.0+ 4.8mfg 2.7mft 1.7to 3.6pf = 12.8- = 12.2NP 6.1OE 6.1FG
Comments: Fair and Southerland are better than Joseph and Fair were then but Southerland is no longer available to us. Grant’s numbers are actually similar to Southerland’s two years ago even if their skill package is different. Grant’s numbers may be a lot better by the end of the year with more playing time.
GUARDS
2010-11
Scoop Jardine
32.1m 15.6p 2.7r 7.3a 2.0s 0.2b 27.8+ 7.7mfg 1.3mft 3.6to 2.2pf 14.8- = 13.0NP 6.6OE 6.4FG
Brandon Triche
28.8m 15.5p 3.7r 4.0a 1.1s 0.1b 24.4+ 7.1mfg 0.6mft 2.9to 2.7pf 13.3- = 11.1NP 7.8OE 3.3FG
Dion Waiters
16.3m 16.1p 3.8r 3.6a 2.7s 0.3b 26.5+ 8.1mfg 0.6mft 2.2to 3.3pf 14.2- = 12.3NP 7.4OE 4.9FG
Mookie Jones
8.1m 17.5p 5.3r 3.0a 3.4s 0.8b 30.0+ 8.0mfg 0.0mft 1.1to 4.6pf = 13.7- = 16.3NP 9.5OE 6.8FG
2012-13
Brandon Triche
32.3m 18.5p 4.3r 4.3a 1.8s 0.2b = 29.1+ 7.9mfg 1.4mft 3.0to 2.3pf = 14.6- = 14.5NP 9.2OE 5.3FG
Michael Carter-Williams
34.2m 14.7p 5.7r 10.4a 3.5s 0.8b = 35.1+ 8.1mfg 1.7mft 4.5to 2.7pf = 16.9- = 18.2NP 4.9OE 13.3FG
Trevor Cooney
13.3m 14.1p 2.6r 2.3a 3.5s 0.3b = 22.8+ 9.5mfg 0.3mft 1.4to 2.7pf = 13.9- = 8.9NP 4.3OE 4.6FG
Comments: Triche is a better Triche. You might think of Cooney as being this year’s Jones but Mookie was actually much better. The interesting comparison is Scoop, who we always criticized for all his errors vs. MCW, who can be a spectacular talent. Scoop scored better. He had a lot of assists but not nearly Michael’s number. Michael is a much better rebounder and gets more steals. Both missed a lot of shots for a point guard. Michael makes more turnovers. We remember Scoop’s coming at all the wrong times but Michael makes a lot of ill-timed gaffes, too, mostly from trying to do too much. With Scoop, you sometimes wondered what the plan was. Dion Waiters wasn’t the player he became but we don’t have anyone like him now.
I think the 2010-11 team was better inside and is now better at the forward positions since we don’t have Southerland. I might take this year’s backcourt but with the lack of depth it’s close. I think the teams, overall, are comparable, although the strength and weaknesses are different. We’ll see how this looks at the end of the season.
CENTERS
2010-11
Rick Jackson
35.6m 14.7p 11.6r 2.5a 1.5s 2.8b 33.1+ 4.3mfg 2.1mft 2.3to 2.3pf 11.0- = 22.1NP 8.3OE 13.8FG
Fab Melo
9.9m 9.4p 7.8r 1.0a 1.2s 3.1b 22.5+ 2.7mfg 2.0mft 3.1to 7.3pf 15.1- = 7.4NP 4.7OE 2.7FG
Baye Moussa Keita
14.6m 6.0p 10.3r 0.5a 1.6s 3.4b 21.8+ 1.9mfg 1.3mft 1.6to 5.9pf 10.7- = 11.1NP 2.8OE 8.3FG
2012-13
Rakeem Christmas
22.1m 11.9p 10.0r 0.5a 1.0s 3.6b = 27.0+ 3.9mfg 2.6mft 1.4to 3.9pf = 11.8- = 15.2NP 5.4OE 9.8FG
Baye Moussa Keita
14.4m 10.1p 10.8r 0.4a 1.8s 3.2b = 26.3+ 1.9mfg 1.9mft 1.7to 6.5pf = 26.3- = 14.3NP 6.3OE 7.9FG
DaJuan Coleman
14.0m 14.3p 12.5r 0.4a 1.6s 1.3b = 30.1+ 6.9mfg 4.6mft 3.2to 3.7pf = 18.4- = 11.7NP 2.8OE 8.9FG
Comments: All three of our centers are better than Fab and Baye were as freshman but this team could sure use a Rick Jackson down low.
FORWARDS
2010-11
Kris Joseph
32.4m 17.6p 6.5r 2.7a 1.9s 0.8b 29.5+ 6.8mfg 1.9mft 2.7to 2.3pf 13.7- = 15.8NP 8.9OE 6.9FG
CJ Fair
18.6m 13.7p 8.2r 0.9a 1.7s 1.7b 26.2+ 4.6mfg 1.7mft 1.8to 2.6pf 10.7- = 15.5NP 7.4OE 8.1FG
James Southerland
14.1m 13.7p 6.4r 1.3a 1.4s 1.6b 24.4+ 7.0mfg 0.3mft 0.6to 3.5pf 11.4- = 13.0NP 6.4OE 6.6FG
2012-13
CJ Fair
32.5m 16.5p 8.8r 0.7a 1.2s 1.3b = 28.5+ 6.7mfg 0.9mft 1.7to 2.0pf = 11.3- = 17.2NP 8.9OE 8.3FG
James Southerland
26.3m 20.8p 7.9r 1.9a 2.0s 1.5b = 34.1+ 8.2mfg 0.6mft 1.6to 3.0pf = 13.4- = 20.7NP 12.0OE 8.7FG
Jerami Grant
14.9m 13.6p 7.7r 1.2a 1.2s 1.3b = 25.0+ 4.8mfg 2.7mft 1.7to 3.6pf = 12.8- = 12.2NP 6.1OE 6.1FG
Comments: Fair and Southerland are better than Joseph and Fair were then but Southerland is no longer available to us. Grant’s numbers are actually similar to Southerland’s two years ago even if their skill package is different. Grant’s numbers may be a lot better by the end of the year with more playing time.
GUARDS
2010-11
Scoop Jardine
32.1m 15.6p 2.7r 7.3a 2.0s 0.2b 27.8+ 7.7mfg 1.3mft 3.6to 2.2pf 14.8- = 13.0NP 6.6OE 6.4FG
Brandon Triche
28.8m 15.5p 3.7r 4.0a 1.1s 0.1b 24.4+ 7.1mfg 0.6mft 2.9to 2.7pf 13.3- = 11.1NP 7.8OE 3.3FG
Dion Waiters
16.3m 16.1p 3.8r 3.6a 2.7s 0.3b 26.5+ 8.1mfg 0.6mft 2.2to 3.3pf 14.2- = 12.3NP 7.4OE 4.9FG
Mookie Jones
8.1m 17.5p 5.3r 3.0a 3.4s 0.8b 30.0+ 8.0mfg 0.0mft 1.1to 4.6pf = 13.7- = 16.3NP 9.5OE 6.8FG
2012-13
Brandon Triche
32.3m 18.5p 4.3r 4.3a 1.8s 0.2b = 29.1+ 7.9mfg 1.4mft 3.0to 2.3pf = 14.6- = 14.5NP 9.2OE 5.3FG
Michael Carter-Williams
34.2m 14.7p 5.7r 10.4a 3.5s 0.8b = 35.1+ 8.1mfg 1.7mft 4.5to 2.7pf = 16.9- = 18.2NP 4.9OE 13.3FG
Trevor Cooney
13.3m 14.1p 2.6r 2.3a 3.5s 0.3b = 22.8+ 9.5mfg 0.3mft 1.4to 2.7pf = 13.9- = 8.9NP 4.3OE 4.6FG
Comments: Triche is a better Triche. You might think of Cooney as being this year’s Jones but Mookie was actually much better. The interesting comparison is Scoop, who we always criticized for all his errors vs. MCW, who can be a spectacular talent. Scoop scored better. He had a lot of assists but not nearly Michael’s number. Michael is a much better rebounder and gets more steals. Both missed a lot of shots for a point guard. Michael makes more turnovers. We remember Scoop’s coming at all the wrong times but Michael makes a lot of ill-timed gaffes, too, mostly from trying to do too much. With Scoop, you sometimes wondered what the plan was. Dion Waiters wasn’t the player he became but we don’t have anyone like him now.
I think the 2010-11 team was better inside and is now better at the forward positions since we don’t have Southerland. I might take this year’s backcourt but with the lack of depth it’s close. I think the teams, overall, are comparable, although the strength and weaknesses are different. We’ll see how this looks at the end of the season.
