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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 5640198, member: 5685"] I hope you are right. The concern I have is that all of these players did well at lower levels. We cannot expect all of them to have the same production here. Sometimes there are NFL players at lower levels, other times there are players whose ceiling is the lower levels. IMO every ACC game is some form of a toss up. We have 4 home and 5 away. To go 6-3 during those games is asking a lot for any school not named Miami or Clemson. I will say that our road ACC games are very winnable, but they are road games to schools that Fran is 1-5 against so far. Also we have a young team with a new D system. It will take a few games for everything to fall into place. For the D it might even take a year. Which won't help with the overall record this year. I think we are a year away from 8-4 being realistic. [/QUOTE]