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Message: [QUOTE="iommi, post: 2003553, member: 249"] I'll add one more issue with Howard: he's still not strong enough. I don't give a crap what anyone says, he's still too weak to finish inside. He has the size (height) but needs the strength. Speaking of strength, if Moyer doesn't look jacked next fall, we need to evaluate what's going on. Every year, we hear how guys have gained muscle. Then I look at a Tyler Lydon and his upper body has no definition. He may have gained weight, but Lydon's upper body doesn't look more [I]muscular.[/I] [/QUOTE]