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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 4214471, member: 237"] I just have to chuckle reading this thread. I just don't get what part of not getting it done on the court and freshman who arent ready or good enough for the ACC is absolved by there being some effort still on the recruiting trail. So we should celebrate and honor the staff trying hard in the eyes of some even if it's not at the same level as our competition? End of the day if we aren't getting results commensurate with the programs goals and stature then there isn't much to celebrate or defend. That is an objective statement to which feels is argued too much. We certainly can debate the cause but the results are what they are. [/QUOTE]