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[QUOTE="SoBristol, post: 39201, member: 485"]
Honestly, regardless of the GROB years, SU fans should be happy with 8-5 (bowl game win) and 4-2 (good chance to get to 7 wins and a decent bowl).  It might turn out that we aren't competitive with a couple of teams on the schedule (USC, West Va) but the team is keeping it interesting in the other games, and finding a way to win.

Still, some of the excuses you read in this thread don't wash.  Our offense isn't that young -- more veterans than most opponents.  In 3 recruiting classes, you would expect some contributors on offense, but apart from Gulley it hasn't happened.
The defense is young at LB (other units are about average) -- but it has been the defense that has been a pleasant surprise last year and again this year (apart from Tulane).
So, you can credit Marrone with hiring Shafer and for adding some young talent on the defensive side.
Ultimately, I am happy getting to 4-2 (plus knowing we held Rutgers to 13 pts in 4 quarters, and should have won with a better kicking game).
The disappointments:  who is "coaching up" the OL?  who is recruiting skills guys for the offense?
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