Athlon recruiting ratings

[SWC75]

I just got the Athlon College basketball preview. I was looking at their ratings of 2019 recruits, which listed what school they are going to. SU's highest rated recruit is Brycen Goodine at #93. Quincy Guerrier is #119. Jesse Edwards is is #176 and Joe Girard is #195. I take these with a lump of salt that you'd need a pick-up truck to take home with you, (Guerrier is listed as 6-7 190 - when Athlon's article on Syracuse lists him at 6-7 215). But I couldn't resist making a point system, There were 200 players listed so I gave 200 points to the 31 guy, 1999 to #2 and so on and totaled the points for each school's recurits to come up with this ranking:

Memphis 1,038
Kentucky 821
Duke 723
Gonzaga 673
Georgia 661
Villanova 650
Louisville 637
Southern California 583
Arizona 562
Florida 533
North Carolina 532
Kansas 531
Ohio State 480
Texas 449
Washington 420
Texas Tech 416
Oregon 414
Connecticut 351
Auburn 337
Oklahoma State 336
Alabama 331
Xavier 314
Florida State 313
Michigan State 305
Virginia 283
Texas Christian 272
U of Miami 270
Oklahoma 270
Tennessee 269
Maryland 260
Louisiana State 232
Indiana 224
Syracuse 221
DePaul 186
Harvard 180
Minnesota 180
Clemson 174
West Virginia 171
Missouri 159
Illinois 157
Cincinnati 156
Providence 138
Stanford 135
Marquette 130
Texas A&M 129
Arizona State 124
Virginia Commonwealth 123
Massachusetts 120
Iowa 118
UCLA 117
South Carolina 114
Nebraska 110
Butler 107
Wichita State 103
Virginia Tech 98
Northwestern 93
Michigan 92
Utah 91
Pittsburgh 89
Mississippi State 84
Mississippi 82
Purdue 78
North Carolina State 74
Houston 72
Vanderbilt 72
Georgetown 68
Long Beach State 65
Kansas State 64
Wake Forest 54
Davidson 53
Loyola Maryland 51
Rutgers 47
Baylor 46
Temple 44
Utah State 37
New Mexico 34
Gardner-Webb 33
Iowa State 30
Air Force 27
Cal State Fullerton 26
Seton Hall 23
Lamar 22
California 16
Wisconsin 8
Texas-San Antonio 7

There are all kinds of disclaimers here. The Guerrier weight thing suggest that these rankings are based on old information. Quincy is from Canada, Jesse from the Netherland and John Bol Ajak form the Sudan, so they are edge-of-the-radar types. Joe went to a smaller schools and the history of 50ppg guys is that they haven't had much success on the next level. they were middle sized fish in small ponds and have trouble adjusting to be part of an ensemble. These are evaluations of how they were as high school players. projecting them as college players is more difficult. In the end I trust the coaches who know more about these players than the evaluators do. From what i saw of the Italian games, all our guys can play and we've got more of them than we usually do.

That said, the rest of the country doesn't seem too impressed. They are looking what Penny Hardaway is doing at Memphis, where he has recruited no fewer than 9 freshmen and added a sophomore transfer from Kentucky. Seven of his guys made the top 200, including the #1 guy, 7-1 James Weisman and 6-9 Precious Achiwa, the #14 guy. Lester Quinones, a freshman guard said "Yeah, that's the plan. Just demolish teams with our talent." Can we do that?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Guerrier is much better than that. He wasn't ranked by multiple services because he played in Canada. 2 4 7 has him at 72. He's definitely our best recruit.

 

[RandygoCuse]

I just got the Athlon College basketball preview. I was looking at their ratings of 2019 recruits, which listed what school they are going to. SU's highest rated recruit is Brycen Goodine at #93. Quincy Guerrier is #119. Jesse Edwards is is #176 and Joe Girard is #195. I take these with a lump of salt that you'd need a pick-up truck to take home with you, (Guerrier is listed as 6-7 190 - when Athlon's article on Syracuse lists him at 6-7 215). But I couldn't resist making a point system, There were 200 players listed so I gave 200 points to the 31 guy, 1999 to #2 and so on and totaled the points for each school's recurits to come up with this ranking:

Memphis 1,038
Kentucky 821
Duke 723
Gonzaga 673
Georgia 661
Villanova 650
Louisville 637
Southern California 583
Arizona 562
Florida 533
North Carolina 532
Kansas 531
Ohio State 480
Texas 449
Washington 420
Texas Tech 416
Oregon 414
Connecticut 351
Auburn 337
Oklahoma State 336
Alabama 331
Xavier 314
Florida State 313
Michigan State 305
Virginia 283
Texas Christian 272
U of Miami 270
Oklahoma 270
Tennessee 269
Maryland 260
Louisiana State 232
Indiana 224
Syracuse 221
DePaul 186
Harvard 180
Minnesota 180
Clemson 174
West Virginia 171
Missouri 159
Illinois 157
Cincinnati 156
Providence 138
Stanford 135
Marquette 130
Texas A&M 129
Arizona State 124
Virginia Commonwealth 123
Massachusetts 120
Iowa 118
UCLA 117
South Carolina 114
Nebraska 110
Butler 107
Wichita State 103
Virginia Tech 98
Northwestern 93
Michigan 92
Utah 91
Pittsburgh 89
Mississippi State 84
Mississippi 82
Purdue 78
North Carolina State 74
Houston 72
Vanderbilt 72
Georgetown 68
Long Beach State 65
Kansas State 64
Wake Forest 54
Davidson 53
Loyola Maryland 51
Rutgers 47
Baylor 46
Temple 44
Utah State 37
New Mexico 34
Gardner-Webb 33
Iowa State 30
Air Force 27
Cal State Fullerton 26
Seton Hall 23
Lamar 22
California 16
Wisconsin 8
Texas-San Antonio 7

There are all kinds of disclaimers here. The Guerrier weight thing suggest that these rankings are based on old information. Quincy is from Canada, Jesse from the Netherland and John Bol Ajak form the Sudan, so they are edge-of-the-radar types. Joe went to a smaller schools and the history of 50ppg guys is that they haven't had much success on the next level. they were middle sized fish in small ponds and have trouble adjusting to be part of an ensemble. These are evaluations of how they were as high school players. projecting them as college players is more difficult. In the end I trust the coaches who know more about these players than the evaluators do. From what i saw of the Italian games, all our guys can play and we've got more of them than we usually do.

That said, the rest of the country doesn't seem too impressed. They are looking what Penny Hardaway is doing at Memphis, where he has recruited no fewer than 9 freshmen and added a sophomore transfer from Kentucky. Seven of his guys made the top 200, including the #1 guy, 7-1 James Weisman and 6-9 Precious Achiwa, the #14 guy. Lester Quinones, a freshman guard said "Yeah, that's the plan. Just demolish teams with our talent." Can we do that?

Certain irony to the fact that JB has gone on record in the past as only recruiting in the NE and we end up with such an international look.

 

[SWC75]

Certain irony to the fact that JB has gone on record in the past as only recruiting in the NE and we end up with such an international look.

What bothers me is that JB has consistently said two things relevant to our big men:

- Big men take longer to develop than other players.

- Foreign players who didn't grow up playing the game take longer to develop.

So we keep recruiting foreign big men and get frustrated with their development.

 

[SWC75]

Guerrier is much better than that. He wasn't ranked by multiple services because he played in Canada. 2 4 7 has him at 72. He's definitely our best recruit.

Still I can't avoid the feeling that we are searching for "hidden gems" because in the wake of our second probation, we don't want to get into the sweepstakes for the top players and what we might have to do to get them.

 

[moqui]

Still I can't avoid the feeling that we are searching for "hidden gems" because in the wake of our second probation, we don't want to get into the sweepstakes for the top players and what we might have to do to get them.

that theory falls apart when you consider that su has been heavily involved in sweepstakes for top 30 players right up to the very end, and even winning a few, this whole time
2014 chris mcculough
2015 malachi & thomas bryant
2016 tyus
2017 quade greene
2018 darius bazely
2019 isaiah stewart
2020 isaiah jackson

 

[chugg21]

that theory falls apart when you consider that su has been heavily involved in sweepstakes for top 30 players right up to the very end, and even winning a few, this whole time
2014 chris mcculough
2015 malachi & thomas bryant
2016 tyus
2017 quade greene
2018 darius bazely
2019 isaiah stewart
2020 isaiah jackson

Than what's your theory for why we seem to be living in the 75-150 range lately instead of the 25-75 sweet spot that we were having sustained success with for most of the last 20 years?

 

[orangenauburn]

We seem to be involved with a bunch of 30 - 80 range guys in future classes right now

 

[RF2044]

Than what's your theory for why we seem to be living in the 75-150 range lately instead of the 25-75 sweet spot that we were having sustained success with for most of the last 20 years?

Could tie to the recent FBI investigation.

Or our recent probation, where we were handcuffed to an extent.

And also, JB is getting old and isn't expending as much effort on the recruiting trail.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Guerrier is much better than that. He wasn't ranked by multiple services because he played in Canada. 2 4 7 has him at 72. He's definitely our best recruit.

I'll take my chances with Quincy. Can't wait to see him play. I think he is ready. Plus we should see an improved Eli and Buddy, while not freshman, both will have a much larger role. This could be our deepest 3 pt shooting team, just in time for the longer three pt line. I think one of the Iggy tiebreakers this season might be made and attempted 3's for the team. I'll have to interrupt the committee from their offseason dailiances to see what they think.

 

[AlpharettaCuse]

Than what's your theory for why we seem to be living in the 75-150 range lately instead of the 25-75 sweet spot that we were having sustained success with for most of the last 20 years?

Mike Hopkins is gone. He’s got Quade Greene and Isaiah Stewart right now. Probation too. Uncertainty on head coach. Other schools paying kids.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Than what's your theory for why we seem to be living in the 75-150 range lately instead of the 25-75 sweet spot that we were having sustained success with for most of the last 20 years?

I’m guessing he’s a big fan of horseshoes.