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Message: [QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 3643078, member: 2585"] I agree. My point on "no excuses" is it becomes a kind of excuse by the poster to not do due diligence or make the argument. I don't think it's cut and dry and a case could be made in either direction pretty easily. I'd bet that the people in power at these SEC schools have a "no excuses!" "we're better than this no matter what!" kind of attitude and I don't think it works in place of actual thinking or reason. [/QUOTE]