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Message: [QUOTE="sufandu, post: 4820364, member: 874"] Facts are facts, but it takes more than just number crunching to look at the why behind the facts. Some people don't want to or are incapabale of doing that. You make a great point in saying comparing success in the NFL is totally different than comparing success in college. Free agency, salary caps, roster size and the design of the draft process work to ensure talent levels are so much more even. Differences in facilities, recruiting budgets, staff budgets, NIL support, and overall support from the AD make comparing coaches with simple formulas silly. We can't compare Marrone to Babers because he didn't have the facilities, the budget, or the overall support from the AD Babers has had. We also don't know how good he would be at navigating NIL and the transfer portal? We also don't know how well P could've kept the momentum going the second half of his tenure with more investment from the university to keep pace with our peers. The numbers show a clear decline in the success of the program. They are incapable of assigning the level of responsibility of that decline to the coach versus things that were out of the coach's control. If the discussion is whether to move on from Babers, sadly I'd say it's time. I've liked him and really wanted him to succeed, but his inability to put together a functional oline is baffling after 8 years. The biggest surprise to me is how hard it's been to find/develop a WR corp. After his first two years it seems like someone would be interested and coming here to put up big numbers after seeing what AET, Ishmael, and Philips did. Then not being able to recruit another QB to compete with TD during the Dungey years also seems crazy. After seeing TD get beat up in 2019 and 2020, I get why guys would be hesitant, but we had 3 years with Dungey as QB where the oline wasn't as clearly dysfunctional where someone should've had some interest. [/QUOTE]

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