Bad Company

[SWC75]

Earlier this week Bud Poliquin asked his partner, Jim Lersch, (The Manchild) where Syracuse’s record over the least ten years would rank vs. the rest of the country. They agreed our record would be in the bottom 10. “And that includes games against teams like Buffalo, Akron, Colgate, etc.” I wondered where we did rank if you got rid of the riff-raff teams.

I decided to take a shortcut and add up the numbers in the conference standings since 2002. Then I scanned the scores looking at the non-conference games and noted every win and loss against a team that was in a BCS automatic qualifying conference or Notre Dame. I looked only at teams that have been in a BCS conference, (and Notre Dame- sorry Boise). Here are the results. I’ll space them by fives for easier counting.

Southern California 100-20 (.833)
Oklahoma 81-23 (.779)
Ohio State 80-24 (.769)
Louisiana State 75-23 (.765)
Virginia Tech 75-26 (.743)

Texas 71-25 (.740)
Georgia 75-35 (.714)
West Virginia 68-29 (.701)
Oregon 72-34 (.679)
Utah 22-11 (.667)

Florida 68-35 (.660)
Auburn 64-34 (.653)
Alabama 61-34 (.642)
Wisconsin 61-36 (.629)
Florida State 69-41 (.627)

Clemson 56-34 (.622)
Iowa 66-41 (.617)
Michigan 62-40 (.608)
Miami 57-38 (.600)
Boston College 55-39 (.585)

Penn State 59-42 (.584)
Georgia Tech 63-45 (.583)
Oklahoma State 56-40 (.583)
Texas Tech 52-41 (.583)
California 59-44 (.573)

Missouri 54-41 (.568)
Nebraska 56-44 (.560)
Texas Tech 52-41 (.559)
Louisville 42-34 (.553)
Pittsburgh 52-43 (.547)

Oregon State 51-45 (.531)
Cincinnati 35-31 (.530)
Notre Dame 53-49 (.520)
Virginia 49-47 (.510)
Tennessee 50-50 (.500)

Arkansas 47-47 (.500)
Michigan State 50-52 (.490)
Arizona State 49-55 (.471)
UCLA 49-55 (.471)
Wake Forest 48-55 (.466)

Kansas State 44-51 (.463)
North Carolina State 48-56 (.462)
Maryland 45-55 (.450)
Northwestern 44-54 (.449)
Purdue 43-53 (.448)

South Carolina 46-57 (.447)
Stanford 45-58 (.437)
Connecticut 37-49 (.430)
South Florida 30-40 (.429)
Texas A&M 40-55 (.421)

Rutgers 35-50 (.412)
North Carolina 41-63 (.394)
Colorado 38-63 (.376)
Mississippi 33-57 (.367)
Minnesota 32-60 (.348)

Kentucky 33-65 (.337)
Arizona 32-64 (.333)
Washington State 31-66 (.320)
Kansas 29-64 (.312)
Washington 32-71 (.311)


Iowa State 29-65 (.308)
Illinois 28-71 (.283)
Baylor 24-66 (.267)
Syracuse 24-73 (.247)
Mississippi State 19-69 (.216)

Vanderbilt 20-76 (.208)
Indiana 15-74 (.169)
Temple 5-40 (.111)
Duke 10-81 (.110)

That’s 69 teams. We are 6th from the bottom, in a group with Iowa State, Illinois, Baylor and Mississippi State. Those schools have had some success in the past and even some in the present- Illinois has been to a Rose Bowl and Baylor has had a Heisman trophy winner. But still, we aspire to better company than that. We’d like to be maybe in the 4th or 5th group. Higher than that is probably expecting a bit too much. Going to the ACC will have it’s advantages but it will also have it’s challenges.

I wonder what this list will look like in 10 years.

 

[jcuse44]

Seeing boston college in that 4th group makes me realize we should be in the 4th t least...most likely better

 

[Moontan]

I wonder what this list will look like in 10 years.

Ten years from now the list of schools may be completely different. TCU and Utah will be added. If the Big Math goes to 12 it could see BYU added as well. Depending on the NNBE's TV deal and the conference's perception over the next few years, you could either see the 5 NBE left overs being dropped (unless they find refuge elsewhere) or the 10 NNBE additions being added.

The new comparison clock should start in 2013.

Every program in the bottom half, except Duke (need to spend some $ to show they care), hopes to move up. With the move to 9-game conference schedules in several conferences, one would now expect more games to count in these comparisons (typically 9-10 out of 12, or 10-11 out of 13... who said that bowl games don't count?).

It'd be nice for Syracuse if the natural order of things were restored and the Orangemen return 8+ game wins per season... with the occasion 10+ season. Fill up the Loud House which in turn will help dial up the win total.

 

[suloyalfan]

Nice work... thanks for the research.

Earlier this week Bud Poliquin asked his partner, Jim Lersch, (The Manchild) where Syracuse’s record over the least ten years would rank vs. the rest of the country. They agreed our record would be in the bottom 10. “And that includes games against teams like Buffalo, Akron, Colgate, etc.” I wondered where we did rank if you got rid of the riff-raff teams.

I decided to take a shortcut and add up the numbers in the conference standings since 2002. Then I scanned the scores looking at the non-conference games and noted every win and loss against a team that was in a BCS automatic qualifying conference or Notre Dame. I looked only at teams that have been in a BCS conference, (and Notre Dame- sorry Boise). Here are the results. I’ll space them by fives for easier counting.

Southern California 100-20 (.833)
Oklahoma 81-23 (.779)
Ohio State 80-24 (.769)
Louisiana State 75-23 (.765)
Virginia Tech 75-26 (.743)

Texas 71-25 (.740)
Georgia 75-35 (.714)
West Virginia 68-29 (.701)
Oregon 72-34 (.679)
Utah 22-11 (.667)

Florida 68-35 (.660)
Auburn 64-34 (.653)
Alabama 61-34 (.642)
Wisconsin 61-36 (.629)
Florida State 69-41 (.627)

Clemson 56-34 (.622)
Iowa 66-41 (.617)
Michigan 62-40 (.608)
Miami 57-38 (.600)
Boston College 55-39 (.585)

Penn State 59-42 (.584)
Georgia Tech 63-45 (.583)
Oklahoma State 56-40 (.583)
Texas Tech 52-41 (.583)
California 59-44 (.573)

Missouri 54-41 (.568)
Nebraska 56-44 (.560)
Texas Tech 52-41 (.559)
Louisville 42-34 (.553)
Pittsburgh 52-43 (.547)

Oregon State 51-45 (.531)
Cincinnati 35-31 (.530)
Notre Dame 53-49 (.520)
Virginia 49-47 (.510)
Tennessee 50-50 (.500)

Arkansas 47-47 (.500)
Michigan State 50-52 (.490)
Arizona State 49-55 (.471)
UCLA 49-55 (.471)
Wake Forest 48-55 (.466)

Kansas State 44-51 (.463)
North Carolina State 48-56 (.462)
Maryland 45-55 (.450)
Northwestern 44-54 (.449)
Purdue 43-53 (.448)

South Carolina 46-57 (.447)
Stanford 45-58 (.437)
Connecticut 37-49 (.430)
South Florida 30-40 (.429)
Texas A&M 40-55 (.421)

Rutgers 35-50 (.412)
North Carolina 41-63 (.394)
Colorado 38-63 (.376)
Mississippi 33-57 (.367)
Minnesota 32-60 (.348)

Kentucky 33-65 (.337)
Arizona 32-64 (.333)
Washington State 31-66 (.320)
Kansas 29-64 (.312)
Washington 32-71 (.311)


Iowa State 29-65 (.308)
Illinois 28-71 (.283)
Baylor 24-66 (.267)
Syracuse 24-73 (.247)
Mississippi State 19-69 (.216)

Vanderbilt 20-76 (.208)
Indiana 15-74 (.169)
Temple 5-40 (.111)
Duke 10-81 (.110)

That’s 69 teams. We are 6th from the bottom, in a group with Iowa State, Illinois, Baylor and Mississippi State. Those schools have had some success in the past and even some in the present- Illinois has been to a Rose Bowl and Baylor has had a Heisman trophy winner. But still, we aspire to better company than that. We’d like to be maybe in the 4th or 5th group. Higher than that is probably expecting a bit too much. Going to the ACC will have it’s advantages but it will also have it’s challenges.

I wonder what this list will look like in 10 years.

 

[texascpa]

And Rutgers with only 11 more wins over that time period. Kind of puts their "success" in perspective.

 

[rocklloyd]

I remember a time when a .600 winning percentage got a coach fired.

 

[MikeSU02]

I don't know why, but I've always thought we should be as good as Ga Tech.