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[QUOTE="Scooch, post: 1189544, member: 628"]
Why does that matter, though?

You're hung up on the notion of "at this point" in terms of our program.  But is there any evidence that shows that superficial "disclipline" measures like banning facial hair have a direct impact on how to build a better program?

You've used penalties as an on-field manifestation of lack of discipline.  Well I did some research...

In 2001, a very strong 10-3 year for our Orange, we were 91st out of 115 1-A schools in terms of penalties per game with 8.33.  That's bad right?  And coming off two years where we were 13-10 combined you'd think a focus on discipline to reduce penalties would have been high, right?  Just like this year, when we were coming off a 15-11 two-year record?

But in 2002 we improved dramatically, up to 27th in penalties per game, at just 5.75.  Sadly we went 4-8 that year.

And we know Greg Robinson ran undisciplined program.  So clearly by his last year, when everyone, fans and players alike, knew he was on his way out, the kids must have been running wild, right?  Except that year we were 14th in the country with just 4.5 penalties per game.  Tremendous discipline I guess, for a 3-9 team.

My point is that "discpline" comes in all forms and methods.  We have had a LOT of things go haywire this season, but suggesting that "discipline" is a major factor reads to me like a poor kind of pop psychology.
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