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Message: [QUOTE="llandz, post: 1189669, member: 1679"] I don't really want to jump into this argument. But I will. So at first I was almost appalled at what Orange PA was saying. What I really do not like here is the personal attacks that are going on in this thread. Now with that aside I think the way Orange PA is presenting his case in the last few posts makes more sense. He has clarified what his original intent was in suggesting how grooming might help. I am not sure yet that I agree with him, but he has made some points very clear, and some are not seeing this. He has stated over and over that this policy might not apply if we had 4 or 5 star caliber of players on our team. So to compare to our basketball team is not a valid argument. PA says we need some sort of discipline with our current roster of players. And I think maybe "discipline" may be the word we might be upset with. Because it brings about a lot of connotations we are not liking. What if we were to use a phrase like "building team camaraderie"? What if we took what he was saying and flipped the concept and used the idea of all of the players growing beards together in unity as has been done many times in sports history? I think what he is getting is a kind of "team" discipline where you are getting everyone to work on the same goal, on the same page at the same time, and each player is accountable for their part of the equation. So if you are the player who moves on the snap and makes a third and short a third and long, you are accountable to the team, the coach and all of the staff. Being part of a camaraderie building concept, such as shaving OR growing beards makes for that type of team accountability. Just another way to maybe look at this? I think we need to respect a players dreads for example as it is a part of their culture. I don't think we should mess with a culture that may be different from our culture. But there are other ways that discipline could work here. I understand the concept, just not sure what the right way to implement it is. [/QUOTE]

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