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Message: [QUOTE="KellySyracuse, post: 3248414, member: 1644"] yes, there are all types of cheating or trying to get an edge. Remember the apple watch red sox fiasco of 2017? Using cameras to steal signs is on a whole other level though in my opinion. The pine tar incident got the pitcher thrown out of the game, the roid's issue is partly on Bud Selig for not doing something about it sooner. Look at what happened after all those players got named as using illegal substances? They're forever tainted because of the cheating as it should be. [/QUOTE]