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Baylor North, Hell for ACC Coaches

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It's the day before Christmas eve which means most of us are "working", i.e. at our desks pretending to work. I have tons to do but decided to give myself an early present: google "Baylor Offense" and read/dream/masturbate about the future of Baylor North.

This is what I found*

*I think someone linked to this before, but it was during Baber's hiring and lots of stuff was posted with very little time to digest. Think wolfing down breakfast while your kids are pulling on your pajama leg two mornings from now.

It's a great read. You should read it. If you don't have time, here are some choice quotes and surface overview:

If Big 12 defensive coordinators were expecting their visitation in hell to be brief, they were in for a horrendous shock.

However, it's now clear that Baylor has an offensive system that has to be taken seriously if opposing coaches want to transform their stays in hell into a stop in purgatory

Baylor's attack is a system that relies on simple principles and a holistic approach to attacking defenses that makes sense when viewed from an outsider's perspective, yet is strangely unique to football.

Many teams will spread the field with multiple receiver sets and attack the perimeter with the quick passing game, but not every team is actually able to spread out wide and still attack other parts of the field.

Baylor is a no-huddle team, naturally. For defenders and opposing coaches, this means that in processing the myriad of places on the field where you are on the verge of being assaulted, you have next to no time. Most, if not all, of Briles' concepts begin with one quick read by the QB; this means that the offense thrives on simplicity. Baylor is basically an option offense in all that it does. The nature of spread passing games has become quick-triggered and based on one or two reads, just like the Veer offense that Briles operated in the 80's.

If you call in a blitz or exotic look and are unsuccessful, the Bears can hurry to the line of scrimmage and punish you for the mistake over and over again while you desperately try to switch to a safer call.

The better the grip Baylor has on the defensive approach, the quicker the Bears can snap the ball and make plays. They keep coming all day long, and Briles doesn't seem to remotely care about margin of victory or defeat.

Essential to Baylor's ability to attack so many different parts of the field is the fact that Briles recruits so well to this system. He finds big, mauling kids to fill the offensive line and uses some of his best, most powerful athletes inside at guard or center so that defenses are forced to devote numbers in the middle to stop the run game.

Quarterback is obviously the key to the offense. The ability to make quick decisions is a crucial element to a Briles QB, although this is also manufactured by playing in the system for years. The more essential physical gifts are a strong arm, accuracy, and enough mobility to force the defense to account for the QB in the run game.

 
I have tons to do but decided to give myself an early present: google "Baylor Offense" and read/dream/masturbate


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Babers will change it up so it will be referred to as the ORANGE OFFENSE! Baylor and Bridles will come to Syracuse eto fine tune their game. The Big 12 will study our D as it will be the only D to face the Orange Offense enough to know what to do.

At least that is my Christmas wish.
 
i do not think anyone in the acc is shaking in their boots over babers hire. if he begins to recruit better then they will take notice. i am not as confident as most in the entire staff coming from bg. i like babers and what he has done previously. i agree it was a great hire for us-----but have my concerns as to SOME of his hires
 
My only concern is that if it doesn't have success here, which I believe it will for the record, that we would have a bunch of kids specifically recruited to a unique system and a new coach and a different system. Further dragging us to the bottom.

To Me this feels like a last chance to be successful, I know it's not but it feels that way.
 
tipphill said:
i do not think anyone in the acc is shaking in their boots over babers hire. if he begins to recruit better then they will take notice. i am not as confident as most in the entire staff coming from bg. i like babers and what he has done previously. i agree it was a great hire for us-----but have my concerns as to SOME of his hires

No one was shaking when Baylor hired Briles either. But they do now.

I have zero problem with his offensive hires.
 
CuseOnly said:
My only concern is that if it doesn't have success here, which I believe it will for the record, that we would have a bunch of kids specifically recruited to a unique system and a new coach and a different system. Further dragging us to the bottom. To Me this feels like a last chance to be successful, I know it's not but it feels that way.

We're dealing with that right now and it's not that much of a hurdle. Ideal recruits for a system take time - but sometimes players who don't fit exactly are good enough to be competent.
 
No one was shaking when Baylor hired Briles either. But they do now.

I have zero problem with his offensive hires.
Honestly, his two philosophies are at odds IMO. On offense its all about putting pressure on the defense, playing aggressive until they collapse. On defense, its conservative and about just slowing down opponents, trying to play a bend but don't break philosophy.

I'd love us to be ultra aggressive on both sides of the field trying to keep our aggressive attacking blitzhappy defense while going all out on offense. But alas, that's not our intentions.
 
Sometimes the system is broken because it demands very specific types of players. Great coaches win with the players they have. They then build off this and recruit more ideal players for their system but they can still use players that are not ideal and be successful.

Ability to use the kids' on hand talents to the best combination for victories is what Babers has been able to do, repeatedly and there is no reason why he cannot do so in the ACC. He will need his style of players if we are to play for conference championships but he will win with they guys at hand.

One element of Baber's system is that it is simple. Another is that it allows the players to make adjustments on the field before the play is executed. Essentially, it allows the offense to take what the defense is giving them and use it against the D. It makes the D play the whole field and beat every player mano e mano, something that is very hard to do on every play. That is when the offense capitalizes on the D's mistakes.
 
Libero2 said:
Honestly, his two philosophies are at odds IMO. On offense its all about putting pressure on the defense, playing aggressive until they collapse. On defense, its conservative and about just slowing down opponents, trying to play a bend but don't break philosophy. I'd love us to be ultra aggressive on both sides of the field trying to keep our aggressive attacking blitzhappy defense while going all out on offense. But alas, that's not our intentions.

That's one way to think of it.

But what defense would you run if you always had a two TD lead and can score in a minute?

I'd want a defense that sits back in a zone making passing difficult and a running game that may get 2-3 yds but is not smart because you need to play catch up.

I prefer an aggressive defense - but I get the philosophy of pairing the Tampa 2 with this O.
 
That's one way to think of it.

But what defense would you run if you always had a two TD lead and can score in a minute?

I'd want a defense that sits back in a zone making passing difficult and a running game that may get 2-3 yds but is not smart because you need to play catch up.

I prefer an aggressive defense - but I get the philosophy of pairing the Tampa 2 with this O.
I hadn't thought of it like that, but you're right - that does make sense.

While I would have loved to keep our more aggressive defense, I will say I don't think what Ward will do is passive, at all. They forced a lot of turnovers. I'd guess that wasn't by accident.
 
i do not think anyone in the acc is shaking in their boots over babers hire. if he begins to recruit better then they will take notice. i am not as confident as most in the entire staff coming from bg. i like babers and what he has done previously. i agree it was a great hire for us-----but have my concerns as to SOME of his hires
I don't think at the moment that the ACC is shaking in their boots with this hire or system but over the next year or 2 if we start beating them with our current level of recruit, they will realize that they are in trouble for the long haul.

Especially if the level of the recruits starts to rise.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
I hadn't thought of it like that, but you're right - that does make sense. While I would have loved to keep our more aggressive defense, I will say I don't think what Ward will do is passive, at all. They forced a lot of turnovers. I'd guess that wasn't by accident.

Yep. The vast majority of those were INT's. Passing into zone coverage needing big plays = TO's.
 
I don't think at the moment that the ACC is shaking in their boots with this hire or system but over the next year or 2 if we start beating them with our current level of recruit, they will realize that they are in trouble for the long haul.

Especially if the level of the recruits starts to rise.[---/QUOTE]
you maybe right---i will wait ad see--- i will not proclaim -----until there are RESULTS
 
i do not think anyone in the acc is shaking in their boots over babers hire. if he begins to recruit better then they will take notice. i am not as confident as most in the entire staff coming from bg. i like babers and what he has done previously. i agree it was a great hire for us-----but have my concerns as to SOME of his hires
ugh . . . damn!t. Do you have any idea how hard it must have been for Ward to start his planning for next season while planning for the Georgia Southern game? Also, good god, his kids could not have cared less about this game, and even if they did the environment couldn't have been better for a triple option offense. Everybody needs to just BREATHE, pour a glass of scotch, and relax.
 
ugh . . . damn!t. Do you have any idea how hard it must have been for Ward to start his planning for next season while planning for the Georgia Southern game? Also, good god, his kids could not have cared less about this game, and even if they did the environment couldn't have been better for a triple option offense. Everybody needs to just BREATHE, pour a glass of scotch, and relax.
don't care for scotch, i like an occasional bourban though.
 
It'll be a Sitrus Spray (I like alliteration) that will throw seeds all over the field to sprout up in.
 

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