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Message: [QUOTE="orangecuse, post: 5528158, member: 668"] I didn't say you said it was horrible. Again, I was replying to that poster's remark that Belichick's record was "horrible" in Cleveland. Obviously, sub .500 isn't [I]'good'[/I] as .500 is average. Undoubtedly, one's record is as important as any criteria. Belichick's tenure in Cleveland was his first gig as a head coach in the NFL. If one chooses to ignore all of the noise and circumstances that played a signifcant part in Belichick's overall record there, so be it. Again, IMO, it's a very simplistic view taking that particular/sole approach, especially from a comprehensive standpoint. [/QUOTE]