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Best P4 conference so far?

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If you go by the AP poll, the SEC is as dominant as a conference can probably be: 8 top 25, 7 top 15 and 5 top 10 (consistent with Sagarin, which has 9 in top 25 and 5 in top 10). According to Sagarin, Syracuse is the third (!) best team in the ACC at #30 ... but 10 of the 14 SEC teams are rated ahead of us. [Maryland is a measly 60 in Sagarin so that is looking good] PAC12 is in second with 5 top 25 teams and BIG12 is third with 4 teams.

SEC is 27-2 against other conferences and only 5 FCS wins, PAC12 is 25-4 with 8 FCS wins, ACC is 27-5 with 12 FCS wins, BIG12 is 18-7 with 7 FCS wins.

For the playoff, I am guessing it will be #1 SEC west champ v. #4 ACC champ and Oklahoma v. Oregon.
 
I have said it the last two seasons and this year is no exception ... SEC is the best conference ... the PAC-12 isn't as good ... watching UCLA, USC and even Stanford has reinforced that for me ... of course the B1G is the worst hands down .. for some reason they always get a pass ... and they don't impress me in hoops either but for some reason always get a ton of pub ... it is a total mystery to me.
 
Top to bottom, I think the Big 12 is solid. Take out Kansas, and every other team is competitive with Oklahoma and Baylor being elite.
 
In case anyone else doesn't, just want you to know that I saw what you did there.

The SEC is going to be in a full on depression if the runner up in the West has 1 loss and doesn't get into the playoffs. Will get even worse if the SEC East winner wins the SEC championship game. Good chance that team would already have 2 losses by then.
 
As of this early moment in the season, in terms of conference football -

SEC


Big 12

Pac 12
ACC

Big Ten

But it's early.

Cheers,
Neil
 
If an SEC team beat USC like that who here thinks they would have more than 4 Top 25 votes? Hell...USC is # 17 with the same record as BC. Pitt had 5 votes. OSU is #18 VT is #31. It's obvious...the "right" teams can play crappy teams while others can not. Tell me there is not a bias against the ACC in these votes. ACC teams have to step up this week.
 
Realistically, the best case scenario in my mind is 2 SEC teams, 1 ACC and 1 PAC 12. B1g is a joke and it's not fair that a Big 12 team doesn't have to play a conference title game.
 
Realistically, the best case scenario in my mind is 2 SEC teams, 1 ACC and 1 PAC 12. B1g is a joke and it's not fair that a Big 12 team doesn't have to play a conference title game.

Maybe but I for one think a true round robin beats the heck out of playing 8 of 13 teams and a championship game. Baylor and OU are guaranteed to play each other.
 
If an SEC team beat USC like that who here thinks they would have more than 4 Top 25 votes? Hell...USC is # 17 with the same record as BC. Pitt had 5 votes. OSU is #18 VT is #31. It's obvious...the "right" teams can play crappy teams while others can not. Tell me there is not a bias against the ACC in these votes. ACC teams have to step up this week.

SEC Bowl record:
W
213 L
164 T
9 PCT
.563

ACC Bowl record:
W
96 L
100 T
2 PCT
.490


That is where you earn it ... I've beaten this drum to death.
 
As of this early moment in the season, in terms of conference football -

SEC


Big 12

Pac 12
ACC

Big Ten

But it's early.

Cheers,
Neil
Big Ten isn't in the P4.:cool:
 
In case anyone else doesn't, just want you to know that I saw what you did there.

The SEC is going to be in a full on depression if the runner up in the West has 1 loss and doesn't get into the playoffs. Will get even worse if the SEC East winner wins the SEC championship game. Good chance that team would already have 2 losses by then.
what he also did, is say that the defending champ Fla St is going to be the 4 seed.

which would mean they lost a game.

and if they did, they might not make it the F4 as your hinted at 2 SEC team scenario gets in.
 
Maybe but I for one think a true round robin beats the heck out of playing 8 of 13 teams and a championship game. Baylor and OU are guaranteed to play each other.
That's a good point. My problem is that Baylor always plays a horrendous non-conference schedule and in this year in particular, they'll be getting a pass into the playoffs with just 1 good win. Big 12 is generally a good conference but if Kansas State takes a beating from Auburn this weekend I really will have to question the strength of the league. Texas Tech was supposed to be a top 5 team in the conference and was destroyed by a bottom tier SEC team this past weekend.
 
SEC Bowl record:
W
213 L
164 T
9 PCT
.563

ACC Bowl record:
W
96 L
100 T
2 PCT
.490


That is where you earn it ... I've beaten this drum to death.

I didn't say it as a negative regarding an SEC team just that 4 votes would have never happened for any of those schools. Yes...you have annoyingly and constantly beaten it to death, you're right.
 
what he also did, is say that the defending champ Fla St is going to be the 4 seed.

which would mean they lost a game.

and if they did, they might not make it the F4 as your hinted at 2 SEC team scenario gets in.

So Florida State (or Syracuse) would have to be undefeated to get in, but they would be the 1 seed if they could do that?

Unless an SEC West team has only one loss (with probably triple the top 25 wins of FSU) or an SEC/BIG12/PAC12 team are also undefeated.

I think the general hierarchy would be:

undefeated SEC > undefeated PAC12 > undefeated BIG12 > one-loss (top ten team) SEC west > undefeated ACC
 
I didn't say it as a negative regarding an SEC team just that 4 votes would have never happened for any of those schools. Yes...you have annoyingly and constantly beaten it to death, you're right.

Yet your agenda never changes .. every single season you bemoan the SEC from scheduling practices and everything else but the fact remains in spite of your complaining that they are the best conference for a reason and I've given you reason after reason after reason. You literally said if it were an SEC team ... not sure how you aren't trying to consistently bring up the fact you feel they don't deserve the rankings. This is just another one of your backhanded attempts.
 
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what he also did, is say that the defending champ Fla St is going to be the 4 seed.

which would mean they lost a game.

and if they did, they might not make it the F4 as your hinted at 2 SEC team scenario gets in.
if FSU loses a game and Mich St wins out, MSU very likly would get into the F4 with the ACC champ on the outside looking in

a loss at Oregon is a better loss than anything FSU has on its schedule - B1G has too much power to not get in with that scenario
 
OrangeMojo said:
if FSU loses a game and Mich St wins out, MSU very likly would get into the F4 with the ACC champ on the outside looking in a loss at Oregon is a better loss than anything FSU has on its schedule - B1G has too much power to not get in with that scenario

No way. B1G teams with one loss < FSU with one loss. MSU's resume will be weaker. FSU still has an SEC team left on it's schedule.
 
Yet your agenda never changes .. every single season you bemoan the SEC from scheduling practices and everything else but the fact remains in spite of your complaining that they are the best conference for a reason and I've given you reason after reason after reason. You literally said if it were an SEC team ... not sure how you aren't trying to consistently bring up the fact you feel they don't deserve the rankings. This is just another one of your backhanded attempts.

Holy lord...do you have SEC SEC SEC playing in the background when you post? If Tennessee beat USC and was 2-1 do you honestly think they would have had just 4 votes? Just to burst your SEC loving agenda bubble...I think Auburn will put 50+ points on ranked KState.
 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kevintrahan/2014/09/17/the-big-tens-inferiority-complex/

The Big Ten's Inferiority Complex

The Big Ten has an Iowa problem. Not just because the Hawkeyes inexplicably lost to the much weaker Iowa State Cyclones last Saturday, making a bad year for the Big Ten that much worse. But rather, the comments after the loss were more representative of the conference’s biggest problem.

There were many calls for Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz’s firing after the loss, pointing out that Ferentz is one of the highest-paid coaches in college football and hasn’t done anything of significance since 2009, when he signed a massive contract extension through 2020. This is to be expected after another bad loss — the Hawkeyes have had far too many of them in the last few years — and it’s warranted. The most-used counterpoint was what was troubling:

“Iowa’s not going to get anything better than Kirk Ferentz.”

By all accounts, Ferentz has had some impressive years in Iowa City. He’s won two Big Ten championships, been to two BCS bowl games (winning one) and finished in the top 10 of the AP Poll four times since 2001. But overall, Ferentz has made Iowa a middling program. The Hawkeyes have averaged exactly eight wins per year since 2001, but are paying Ferentz top-tier money ($3.985 million per year, good for ninth in the country).

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Photo taken by me of Herky the Hawkeye holding a Tigerhawk flag. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

That’s led some to believe that this is the ceiling for Iowa: A high-paid coach with a weak recruiting area can only get to eight wins, so that must be all the program can do. But that’s not true, and it reveals a deep inferiority complex in Big Ten thinking, because this kind of thinking at Iowa is representative of the entire Big Ten.

The idea that Iowa and many of its middle of the road conference mates can’t get better than their current coaches is ridiculous. Iowa ranked 11th in athletic department revenue last year, with over $107 million in revenue. A total of 12 Big Ten teams ranked in the top 50 in revenue. Iowa can absolutely afford to buy out Ferentz’s contract and hire someone very good to replace him.

The bigger issue is a matter of resource allocation and values. Paying up just because you can isn’t an effective strategy, as Iowa has very clearly demonstrated. Big Ten schools have done a terrible job of finding coaches who have the mindset needed to succeed, most importantly in recruiting.

Big Ten schools have don’t recognize the importance of recruiting, and while they will often pay up for head coaches who can be figureheads of the program, they don’t value assistant coaches, who high school players have noted have the biggest effect on recruiting. Only five Big Ten coaches rank among the country’s highest paid assistants, and none are from a school not named Ohio State, Michigan or Nebraska. Meanwhile, 11 SEC assistants are in the top 25.

Big Ten teams have also been unable to transition from the regional model of recruiting to the national model that the rest of the country has adapted to. Part of the reason for the conference’s recruiting woes is due to population trends, but the conference has added the recruiting rich areas of New Jersey and the DMV (DC, Maryland, Virginia) with the additions of Rutgers and Maryland. Moreover, good coaches aren’t limited by geography, and the best southern teams have taken some of the top recruits from Big Ten country. You can’t blame geography when one of the top recruits in your region says you aren’t trying hard enough.

“The Big Ten needs to recruit harder. They need to really go after the recruits they really need,” (Jashon) Cornell said. “They have to hassle you a little bit, on you every single day. That makes recruits think the coaches really want me and I could go there because the coaches want me so bad. That’s what the SEC does.”

To fix itself, the Big Ten needs to recognize that it has all the tools to be better than it currently is. It doesn’t have to settle. If the league’s teams fix their collective inferiority complex, the wins might finally return.
 

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