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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 4071914, member: 5685"] Be honest does the 2009 team go better worse or the same against the 2017 schedule? IMO they do better than 4-8 with multiple blowouts. They don't come close to beating Clemson, but there are 11 other games. Conversely does the 2017 go better worse or the same against the 2009 schedule? Assuming Dungey misses the last 3 games they do worse IMO. The 2009 team ended up 83rd in the Sagarin which is pretty close to the 72nd ranked 2017 team. But you want to argue that 2017 was better than 2010? The 2017 team on paper was good. The problem is Dino was HC and we went 4-8 and lost to Middle Tennessee, @ a bad FSU, by 21 to a mediocre Wake, by 46 @ an ok Louisville, and by 28 to a mediocre BC. Results matter also means how close your games were and who you lost to. [/QUOTE]