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Message: [QUOTE="dollarbill44, post: 3111460, member: 686"] Now you're just making things up to fit your narrative. You say you are looking "beyond the orange glasses". What you're really doing is massaging facts to try to show that Dino isn't a very good coach (i.e. comparable to Shafer). You failed to establish that Shafer could coach at all. Claiming he was better against Clemson because his teams never failed to score a TD is a ludicrous point. He also never beat Clemson or came within a breath of beating them a second time. You also failed to point out that Clemson then was not the equal to Clemson while Dino has been coach. FSU was top dog then. How did Shafers teams do against FSU? I'll save you the trouble, they were AWFUL. If you're going to pretend to put forth an impartial argument, you should at least try to use impartial facts. [/QUOTE]