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Message: [QUOTE="OttoinGrotto, post: 858917, member: 297"] I'm not saying you're wrong that Marrone would have won 9+ games and brought in a top 20 recruiting class with this team. I don't know that he wouldn't. I'm saying, we also don't know that he would have, so let's not treat something as fact that is one possible scenario among many possible scenarios. Part of what feeds in to the Marrone mythology is this acceptance of imagined accomplishments in favor of real achievements. We should let the man's achievements stand on their own. There's just no need to pretend that the things we think he might have done should be lumped in with the things he's actually accomplished. It's really a huge discredit to him. It says his real achievements aren't enough, so we have to make stuff up on his behalf. It's all nonsense. [/QUOTE]