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Message: [QUOTE="Melancer46, post: 4954170, member: 1674"] I think the Allen hate is mostly backlash against the hype he receives from other people. I don't really see anyone make the argument that Lamar outplays Mahomes but his team loses whereas people have definitely argued Allen > Mahomes as he continues to lose head to head in the playoffs, the hate comes. There was definitely more to it than that in Allen's early years, but I think most rational analysts have come around on Allen being an elite QB at this point. As for MVP voting, I think it's a foregone conclusion that Lamar won. The question is how many first place votes other candidates receive; we know Allen received at least two. I'm sure McCaffrey and Purdy probably received a few as well. [/QUOTE]