Boise/SDSU Could They Pull a TCU?

[TexanMark]

This guy in Vegas thinks they could and leave the BE before they even join. The convo starts about 1/3rd of the way in.

http://wpc.31d2.edgecastcdn.net/8031D2/xxsportsl/common/global_audio/40/52150.mp3

 

[ImperialOrange]

I'm sure Marinatto will just offer the Idaho Vandals and the San Jose State Spartans to replace them. Here's a preview of the presser

 

[Scooch]

No idea who that guy is, but, as much as we all love to kick the BE when it's down, I would be very surprised if it didn't get a better media deal than the MW/CUSA. Maybe BSU and SDSU might decide they only need so much and slink back to the MW/CUSA, but no institution seems to work that way. It's all about grabbing every last dime.

And these administrators aren't dopes, they know the conference autobid thing for the BCS bid could end. That alone is not why schools are joining the BE.

 

[kingottoiii]

I would be very surprised if it didn't get a better media deal than the MW/CUSA.

Remember though that Boise would be getting BE FB money and WAC BBall. Could a MWC/CUSA merger for both sports be close enough money wise? In 5 years we may see a BE of...

North: RU, UConn, Cincy, Temple, Navy, UMass
South: USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Memphis, ECU

 

[IthacaMatt]

This guy in Vegas thinks they could and leave the BE before they even join. The convo starts about 1/3rd of the way in.

http://wpc.31d2.edgecastcdn.net/8031D2/xxsportsl/common/global_audio/40/52150.mp3

I called this yesterday, when I read that the Big East was going to keep the WVU buy-out money and not use it to get Boise into the conference for this fall.

Epic fail by Marinatto. Again. When you have the chance to lock down your football anchor school, you do it. You would've thought they learned with TCU, but no.

Now Boise are semi-free agents for the next year, with time to try to work out new arrangements, while having the Big East BCS offer in their back pocket.

This could be why BYU is suddenly a lot more interested in joining the Big 12 than they were a short time ago, and are supposedly lobbying hard to do so. It could be BYU and Boise, or it could be Louisville and Cincinnati to make 12.

 

[All4SU]

This could be why BYU is suddenly a lot more interested in joining the Big 12 than they were a short time ago, and are supposedly lobbying hard to do so. It could be BYU and Boise, or it could be Louisville and Cincinnati to make 12.

If I were the B12, I would want BYU/Boise over L'Ville/Cincy. If that were to happen, it would be kind of ironic that L'Ville and Cincy get screwed by Boise two ways: By not coming to the BE, and by taking the B12 spots. Ugh.

 

[TexanMark]

Latest BYU Big 12 Rumor...BYU is starting to wake up.
http://byu.riv als.com/content.asp?CID=1335173

 

[KaiserUEO]

No idea who that guy is, but, as much as we all love to kick the BE when it's down, I would be very surprised if it didn't get a better media deal than the MW/CUSA. Maybe BSU and SDSU might decide they only need so much and slink back to the MW/CUSA, but no institution seems to work that way. It's all about grabbing every last dime.

And these administrators aren't dopes, they know the conference autobid thing for the BCS bid could end. That alone is not why schools are joining the BE.

isnt the mw/cusa v bigeast argument basically 6 in one hand, half dozen the other??

and all things being equal, why travel from sea to shining sea??

i doubt they go east.

 

[Scooch]

If I were the B12, I would want BYU/Boise over L'Ville/Cincy. If that were to happen, it would be kind of ironic that L'Ville and Cincy get screwed by Boise two ways: By not coming to the BE, and by taking the B12 spots. Ugh.

None of the other 5 BCS leagues want Boise State. They've had a rogue athletic department for the past decade, and I can only imagine there is a fear that if the football program declines a conference is stuck with a tremendous albatross.

 

[Scooch]

isnt the mw/cusa v bigeast argument basically 6 in one hand, half dozen the other??

and all things being equal, why travel from sea to shining sea??

i doubt they go east.

Well, it may be more like 7 in one hand, 5 in the other. BSU could decide that the 5 is enough, since it's better than the 2 they have now.

Who really knows?

 

[Scooch]

Remember though that Boise would be getting BE FB money and WAC BBall. Could a MWC/CUSA merger for both sports be close enough money wise? In 5 years we may see a BE of...

North: RU, UConn, Cincy, Temple, Navy, UMass
South: USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Memphis, ECU

The only hoops deal that matters, in a significant way, is the one that the NCAA has with CBS/Turner for the tournament. All the money is on the football side.

 

[All4SU]

None of the other 5 BCS leagues want Boise State. They've had a rogue athletic department for the past decade, and I can only imagine there is a fear that if the football program declines a conference is stuck with a tremendous albatross.

Serious question: What is a "rogue athletic department? Are they out in the middle of the night scheduling games?

 

[SU2NASA]

Serious question: What is a "rogue athletic department? Are they out in the middle of the night scheduling games?

Ohio State.

 

[Scooch]

Serious question: What is a "rogue athletic department? Are they out in the middle of the night scheduling games?

18 major NCAA violations over 5 years.

They also have practically no academic requirements.

I have some friends who are big fans of Pac-12 schools and they all uniformly despise BSU. Not because of their success, but because of how they achieved it. Only a desperate Big East is interested in putting up with that.

 

[rrlbees]

Remember though that Boise would be getting BE FB money and WAC BBall. Could a MWC/CUSA merger for both sports be close enough money wise? In 5 years we may see a BE of...

North: RU, UConn, Cincy, Temple, Navy, UMass
South: USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Memphis, ECU

In the end game, I don't see the Navy's and UMass's sharing in the big money. I think 5 years from now you may see an integration of the B12 and BE to include 16 of the bigger schools left behind with an east/west set up.

 

[44PRIDE]

How long before the Big Conglomerate basketball schools split from the football schools?

 

[All4SU]

How long before the Big Conglomerate basketball schools split from the football schools?

This is always the question. Some here feel that the combined strength of the two groups is enough to keep it together. To me the vastly disparate interests require a split. Additionally, I think it erodes the BE basketball brand to muddle up the traditional basketball schools with some of these other teams. Ultimately, schools like Louisville and Cincy and USF have to do what's right for their football programs. The BBall onlies: St Johns, Villanova (especially now that Temple is in the mix), GTown, Providence, SH, Marquette, Depaul, plus Notre Dame, can go their own way and continue to be what they were originally founded to be -- a basketball-centric conference. Those will be difficult decisions. But as others here have said, I think it's inevitable.

 

[rrlbees]

How long before the Big Conglomerate basketball schools split from the football schools?

Not until they have gotten the last penny they can from all these buyouts. I don't know if they get a direct cut but if the BE is keeping any of it, it benefits the basketball schools in some way. I really doubt that when a WVU pays money, it is fully going to just the football schools and not 1 penny is going to the basketball schools or the BE general fund.

 

[sufan]

This is always the question. Some here feel that the combined strength of the two groups is enough to keep it together. To me the vastly disparate interests require a split. Additionally, I think it erodes the BE basketball brand to muddle up the traditional basketball schools with some of these other teams. Ultimately, schools like Louisville and Cincy and USF have to do what's right for their football programs. The BBall onlies: St Johns, Villanova (especially now that Temple is in the mix), GTown, Providence, SH, Marquette, Depaul, plus Notre Dame, can go their own way and continue to be what they were originally founded to be -- a basketball-centric conference. Those will be difficult decisions. But as others here have said, I think it's inevitable.

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It's really seems like a ND decision: they apparently may want competition and visibility for their BB team that the Catholic BB schools may not be able to provide; the question is are the BB schools willing to leave ND to create their own conference?

 

[KaiserUEO]

Not until they have gotten the last penny they can from all these buyouts. I don't know if they get a direct cut but if the BE is keeping any of it, it benefits the basketball schools in some way. I really doubt that when a WVU pays money, it is fully going to just the football schools and not 1 penny is going to the basketball schools or the BE general fund.

thats what i dont like. i have a feeling that all this exit $$ is just going to go to a safe deposit box in providence and eventually be unclaimed funds and is just handed over to the state. with all the entrance/exit $$ going around, they should just drop all the bullspit and let everyone go where they want for free and then negotiate with the tv channels.

 

[44PRIDE]

There was an interesting discussion on the RRRRRRRRRRRR board about (as a last resort) drop their football program to 1AA and continue with the BBall schools.

I can see UConn dropping football to 1AA, but I dunno if RRRRRRRR would consider it. Eventually, the decision may fall out of their hands.

 

[cuseincincy]

I doubt the B12 has any interest in Boise. I bet they'd love to get BYU. Boise may realize that what good is all the TV coverage going to do them if most of the viewers are on the East Coast or middle America.

 

[IthacaMatt]

This is always the question. Some here feel that the combined strength of the two groups is enough to keep it together. To me the vastly disparate interests require a split. Additionally, I think it erodes the BE basketball brand to muddle up the traditional basketball schools with some of these other teams. Ultimately, schools like Louisville and Cincy and USF have to do what's right for their football programs. The BBall onlies: St Johns, Villanova (especially now that Temple is in the mix), GTown, Providence, SH, Marquette, Depaul, plus Notre Dame, can go their own way and continue to be what they were originally founded to be -- a basketball-centric conference. Those will be difficult decisions. But as others here have said, I think it's inevitable.

While it makes all the sense in the world, the fact is that basketball has become way too diluted a product to generate the revenues from a TV contract that football does, with its more limited inventory. Of course, TV is hurting the value of games by now spreading them all through the week, and by ruining the bowl season by ending the January 1 "cap" to the season (how many years has it been now ?).

If the Big East hoops schools reformed as a hoops only league, they would all earn substantially less than they do by lending their name to a rag tag collection of football schools. The risk to the Big East, of course, is that after 10 years or so of having teams like Central Florida and SMU and Houston not send any fans to MSG for the hoops tournament, the hoops tournament becomes a greatly diminished property, and eventually gets bumped from the Garden to Newark, or the Meadlowlands, or Brooklyn, and the ACC then begins rotating its tournament through New York.

 

[IthacaMatt]

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It's really seems like a ND decision: they apparently may want competition and visibility for their BB team that the Catholic BB schools may not be able to provide; the question is are the BB schools willing to leave ND to create their own conference?

ND cannot like what is happening to the Big East, with all these terrible schools being added. What does the Big East eventually plan to have now, about 20+ schools ? That won't last a decade. It's completely unmanageable.

 

[Scooch]

There was an interesting discussion on the RRRRRRRRRRRR board about (as a last resort) drop their football program to 1AA and continue with the BBall schools.

I can see UConn dropping football to 1AA, but I dunno if RRRRRRRR would consider it. Eventually, the decision may fall out of their hands.

No chance.

Ever.

The State of CT has invested tens of millions into UConn being a 1-A team. There is no chance on Earth of them going back now. If they end up in the MAC, so be it, but it'll be 1-A.