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Message: [QUOTE="MadNY3, post: 1798069, member: 441"] Totally agree. Gross had major headwinds in so many ways - facilities, cultural way of doing business, etc - and he was an over index to deal with the realistic athletic hangover derived from the longtime Buzz Shaw (w/Jake) period. He made miscalculations, mistakes and not sure he had the organizational skills to put in fundamental change. He was a gunslinger. Lots of good things happen...but some bad over the course of 11 years. [/QUOTE]