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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 296346, member: 837"] I think there are two separate point here, though, at least as it relates to SU. The ACC may have nothing to do with the downturn in both football and hoops, but it should be pointed out that it has not helped in any way shape or form. This is important b/c when they left and we were left behind, the thought was that they had moved to a better, more stable, more lucrative conference. Yet they are in no way more relevant in Boston or elsewhere and their programs have done nothing except go backwards. That was good for us when we were still in the much-maligned BE, but it stands as a major red flag, IMO, as we move to the higher ground of the ACC. [/QUOTE]