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Message: [QUOTE="Alsacs, post: 1817729, member: 652"] Parcells helped turn the team around but the team was quite good in the late 70's and did advance to Super Bowl 20 in 1985. The team had a bad stretch with Rod Rust and Coach Mac but they weren't a nothing organization. Ask any Patriots fan about Sugar Bear Hamilton and the screwjob the Pats got in Oakland in the late 70's. An awful roughing the passer call screwed the Pats from reaching Super Bowl XI and that team likely beats the Vikings. Not that you as a Giants fan care but the Pats don't have a Cardinals or Lions history without Belichick. Parcells helped for sure but knock this crap. [/QUOTE]