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Message: [QUOTE="sufandu, post: 3945304, member: 874"] In the first scenario the player is in bounds possessing the ball prior to breaking the plane. The ball is always placed at the position of the ball when a player is tackled or forced out of bounds, as best the refs can assess. That's why guys will also hold the ball out when going out of bounds close to the first down marker. In the second scenario the player never possessed the ball since he was out of bounds, so it never really advanced beyond the line of scrimmage, just like any other incomplete pass. If the ball never advanced, it can't cross the plane. [/QUOTE]