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Message: [QUOTE="NKR1978, post: 834851, member: 186"] Hartwick has a D1 championship in men's soccer and a total of 7 appearances in the Final Four. Even its fairly new D1 women's water polo team has a Final Four. RPI men's hockey has 5 Frozen Four appearances and 2 championships. SLU has 9 Frozen Fours in D1 hockey. I don't think you can combine all of buffalo's programs to have the success, history and tradition of these programs at RPI, Hartwick and SLU. Does Buffalo athletics in its entire history have a Final Four in any sport, much less 5, 7 and 9 like these schools do? I have a friend who is a huge Buffalo booster. He's always on the sideline and I see him on tv a lot when Buffalo plays. I have nothing against Buffalo, but what I said about tradition was 100% true. [/QUOTE]