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Message: [QUOTE="OttosShoes, post: 5237303, member: 10231"] The rule on that looks at the 'impetus' (force) that sent the ball out. If the offense sent it out it's a safety, if the defense it's a touchback. We keep getting caught up on the kick, but muffs (scrambling to pick it up) don't count either way. However, that doesn't put it on us, it just means the call goes back to the previous 'impetus' on the ball, which was when it was punched loose. For it to be the 100% correct call, Kyle would have had to pitch it backward, or fumble while running into the backfield. He pretty obviously did not do either of those things. Now, while I am personally convinced the call was wrong, given the complexity of the situation and the ambiguity/judgement call aspect of the ball coming loose, I also don't think it was egregious enough to get upset over. It's more or less a "that's the way the cookie crumbled" type of thing. [/QUOTE]