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Message: [QUOTE="Brooky03, post: 3043819"] The assertion wasn't that he doesn't coach players or help them get better. The assertion was that pros are recruited, not produced. Can we name a guy Cal made into a pro? A guy who likely would not have been a pro if he went somewhere else? If we can't, then Cal's argument that he's produced pros who would not have otherwise gone pro, is not a reasonable argument for him to make. Based on your responses in this thread, it feels like you're arguing something different. I didn't take this thread as a biased hit piece on Cal. Coach K is generally received well around here. If he said the same thing, he'd be criticized, too. [/QUOTE]