Can somebody explain crazy WVU or pro-Big XII logic to me

[Alsacs]

I hate having to work with 1 lawyer who was a WVU undergrad. They are SO ANNOYING and the butthurt that comes out of their mouths makes UConn fans blush.


Facts: The Big XII signed a 13 year contract with ESPN/FOX for 2.6 billion dollars. Which turns out to be 200 million dollars per season.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205680799&DB_OEM_ID=10410

Here is the figure 2.6 billion for 13 years. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...s-tv-contract-with-espn-fox-through-2025.html

Facts: This is only for Tier 1 and Tier 2 TV rights.

Facts: The Sugar Bowl will now be played by the SEC and Big XII when it isn't a playoff bowl and ESPN will pay 80 million dollars to broadcast, and only 55 million for the Orange Bowl. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8601209/sugar-bowl-new-orleans-site-marquee-big-12-sec-game

Facts: The Big XII got 42 million for bowl money last season and 20 million for NCAA basketball tournament shares. For 62 million total. http://www.frogsowar.com/2013/1/29/3928332/forbes-big-12-annual-payout-to-equal-26-million-per-team

Facts: So the Big XII will be distributing 340 million dollars next year after the Sugar Bowl 80 million is added in and the ACC will be distributing 348 million dollars next year after the 293 million dollars it distributed this season plus the 55 million from the Orange Bowl.

348/14= 24.85 million
340/10= 34 million

Why do you think the Big XII won't add any new schools because the only way they can keep their revenue higher is having less teams. This makes sense for the Big XII, but these WVU jihadists don't factor in they are flying all their sports teams to the Midwest for every conference game. The ACC is up and down the east coast and travel costs are a lot less.


Facts: So without an ACC network the Big XII will make more money and this without factoring in the future with Syracuse, Duke, North Carolina, Louisville leading the ACC basketball league that the NCAA credits the ACC will earn will eat the difference between the leagues as only Kansas is an annual contender in that league.

So can someone explain why these people are so freaking butt hurt, and talk like they are the only fanbase smart enough to break down the numbers. The real reason they make more revenue is the Orange Bowl-Sugar Bowl deals. If the ACC didn't suck in football these past few years the conference could have gotten more from the Orange Bowl. That 25 million less and less mouths to feed are the reason. Tier 3 rights for a crappy football game and basketball games are nothing to anybody, but Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas.

The ACC can fix its problems on the field, the Big XII needs Texas/Oklahoma to like the status quo.

 

[HtownOrange]

Crack. Hallucinogenics. LSD. Inbreeding. Denial. Daddy issues.

I recommend you show you colleague the photo of Geno Smith on the phone during and SU game. If this doesn't work, just remember your mom taught you to have sympathy for the less fortunate.

 

[Btstimpy]

I hate having to work with 1 lawyer who was a WVU undergrad. They are SO ANNOYING and the butthurt that comes out of their mouths makes UConn fans blush.


Facts: The Big XII signed a 13 year contract with ESPN/FOX for 2.6 billion dollars. Which turns out to be 200 million dollars per season.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205680799&DB_OEM_ID=10410

Here is the figure 2.6 billion for 13 years. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...s-tv-contract-with-espn-fox-through-2025.html

Facts: This is only for Tier 1 and Tier 2 TV rights.

Facts: The Sugar Bowl will now be played by the SEC and Big XII when it isn't a playoff bowl and ESPN will pay 80 million dollars to broadcast, and only 55 million for the Orange Bowl. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8601209/sugar-bowl-new-orleans-site-marquee-big-12-sec-game

Facts: The Big XII got 42 million for bowl money last season and 20 million for NCAA basketball tournament shares. For 62 million total. http://www.frogsowar.com/2013/1/29/3928332/forbes-big-12-annual-payout-to-equal-26-million-per-team

Facts: So the Big XII will be distributing 340 million dollars next year after the Sugar Bowl 80 million is added in and the ACC will be distributing 348 million dollars next year after the 293 million dollars it distributed this season plus the 55 million from the Orange Bowl.

348/14= 24.85 million
340/10= 34 million

Why do you think the Big XII won't add any new schools because the only way they can keep their revenue higher is having less teams. This makes sense for the Big XII, but these WVU jihadists don't factor in they are flying all their sports teams to the Midwest for every conference game. The ACC is up and down the east coast and travel costs are a lot less.


Facts: So without an ACC network the Big XII will make more money and this without factoring in the future with Syracuse, Duke, North Carolina, Louisville leading the ACC basketball league that the NCAA credits the ACC will earn will eat the difference between the leagues as only Kansas is an annual contender in that league.

So can someone explain why these people are so freaking butt hurt, and talk like they are the only fanbase smart enough to break down the numbers. The real reason they make more revenue is the Orange Bowl-Sugar Bowl deals. If the ACC didn't suck in football these past few years the conference could have gotten more from the Orange Bowl. That 25 million less and less mouths to feed are the reason. Tier 3 rights for a crappy football game and basketball games are nothing to anybody, but Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas.

The ACC can fix its problems on the field, the Big XII needs Texas/Oklahoma to like the status quo.

I think those bowl payouts for the Sugar and Orange are divided more. The SEC gets half of that $80 million for the Sugar Bowl, and the team playing in it for the Big XII probably gets half of their $40 million split. So the rest of the league would split $20 million or so. Same with the ACC and its $55 million in the Orange Bowl. The ACC would get half when the other team is SEC or Big Ten and more than half when it is Notre Dame.

If the ACC keeps putting 11 teams in bowls, the ACC bowl payouts will swell pretty large.

I listened to an interview on Tim Brando with Bob Huggins yesterday. He basically came out and said that he and the WVU fans aren't excited about Big XII basketball. The fans can't travel to games like they could in the Big East, so he's trying to schedule Pitt, Rutgers, etc. He sort of longed for the days of the Big East. The travel for his basketball team has to be a strain.

 

[Alsacs]

Your right it becomes
300/10= 30 million for Big XII
321.5/14= 23 million for the ACC and that is without an ACC network.
WVU jihadists somehow convince themselves that the 30 million will become 40 million overnight. There TV contract is lock and loaded at 13 yr 2.6 million which is 200 million per year. The Big XII distributed this out last year it isn't backloaded like the ACC deal is with ESPN.

 

[KaiserUEO]

This is why I beat the drum for the other big confs to freeze them out of the F4.

Granted its a committee, but if every other conf is knocking themselves out with a champ game while the bevo sits and waits with a 1 or 2 loss Texas, somebody needs to call bullspit and leave em out.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

I think you are vastly underestimating the Big XII.

Everyone acts like the SEC dominance is going to continue forever. I actually think the SEC is on the way back down right now to being equal to the other conferences. Alabama proved to be human. Auburn was not a great team, just a very good team that was very lucky. South Carolina underperforms expectations every year. LSU was pretty darn good this year, but wasn't without flaws. Florida is down and will likely stay down with Muschamp, who was a bad hire. Ole Miss under Freeze is recruiting like crazy, but lost more than they should have this year. Texas A&M without Manziel will be interesting to watch but could be on the way down. Mississippi St. isn't going to ever be the pride of the conference. Tennessee is down, Kentucky always sucks. Arkansas is going to be down for a while. Vandy is going to flat out suck again with Franklin gone. Mizzou is a decent team, but far from a world beater. Georgia, while injury riddled this year, has consistently underperformed under Richt.

When they start losing to other conferences' teams in bowls, as they did this year, they are coming back to earth. Auburn lost to FSU. Bama lost to Oklahoma. Georgia lost to Nebraska. Lots of SEC teams barely won against teams that weren't great. Ole Miss barely beat Georgia Tech. Texas A&M barely beat Duke. LSU barely beat Iowa. Mizzou didn't exactly dominate Oklahoma State and South Carolina didn't dominate Wisconsin. The two big winners from the SEC in bowls were Mississippi St. who beat a pretty bad Rice team and Vandy who beat a bad Houston team and whose coach has now left with recruiting in the toilet.

The Big 12 is actually on the rise in my eyes. Texas with Strong will be a perennial national contender within 2 years and will be a National Champion within 4 years. Oklahoma will be right there with Texas. That young QB Knight looked great and has a few years left in him there and then Stoops will just reload again. Oklahoma State is a very good team. Baylor under Briles is a very good team. Texas Tech under Kingsbury is going to be dangerous. TCU with Patterson is dangerous. As for WVU, I still predict Holgorsen will be fired this year after going under 500 and Rich Rodriguez will be rehired and will again be very successful, just as he is currently at Arizona. Kansas State is an ok team but not great. Kansas and Iowa State aren't good and won't be good. That's 7 Very good teams out of 10 and if Rich Rod comes back to WVU, 8 out of 10. If Texas does become a perennial contender under Strong as I believe, the Big 12 is going to be better than the SEC within a few years.

The ACC had a very good year and also appears on the rise, although we aren't ever going to compete with the SEC as a conference. FSU isn't going anywhere with Jimbo being a great coach and recruiter. Clemson needs to prove they can continue to be successful after Tahj Boyd and Sammy Watkins are gone this year and as long as they keep Chad Morris they'll do that. Miami will be back with Golden staying and continuing to recruit well. Brought in 3 schools that all bring decent football teams in Louisville, Cuse and Pitt. SU needs to continue our rise to a perennial 9-10 win team and I think we'll be there starting now. Louisville under Petrino can win 8-9 games/year. Pitt is a middle tier program for life. BC is a middle tier program for life. Georgia Tech will win 7-8 games per year under that boring a$$ ridiculous offense and coach. Duke will sink back down after next year but will be good for now returning so many starters. UNC will continue to recruit and do decent. Wake and NC State suck. I think ACC will be 3rd best after Big 12 and SEC. If Notre Dame jumps on board, and it may have to if the Big 5 break away, this conference is a lot closer to the top.

PAC 12 just hasn't performed the way everyone thought they would. They are 4th best after ACC. Stanford is a damn good program but not elite and Oregon is exciting, athletic and talented, but they missed their window to win a championship when Chip Kelly left. Arizona is on the rise with Rich Rodriguez, but again I think he's gone next year back to WVU when Holgorsen gets fired and that program will sink again. UCLA is a decent team but its best days are gone and while Mora is a good coach, he's not going to win the conference or a championship. USC will muddle around under Sarkisian who wasn't exactly killing it at Washington and was a bad hire. Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State and Utah are also rans. Cal and Colorado suck and will continue to suck.

B1G is the worst of the Big 5 conferences I think everyone agrees. Yes Ohio State under Urban is a pretty good team, but they are padding records playing against a lot of slop throughout the conference. Michigan State had its best year in recent memory and is a once in a decade very good team as they are right now and in most years is a small notch above where SU is now. Nebraska falls year by year under Bo Pelini and is about the same as Wisconsin. Wisconsin isn't great and is similarly a small notch above SU right now. Michigan has lost its luster and Brady Hoke won't bring it back. Penn State with Franklin will be interesting, but who knows how good or bad they'll end up being. Northwestern and Minnesota are once every 10 years decent teams and otherwise just above .500. Indiana, Illinois, Purdue and Iowa suck. Maryland and Rutgers are bottom feeders.

 

[GFTakedown]

UT makes out the best with 30 million for the deal plus 15 million for the LHN.

 

[Alsacs]

SEC is staying no where but at the top. The best athletes are already going to the SEC and it took a last second drive by Florida State to end their 7 year NC streak. The SEC isn't going anywhere. The ACC can improve and be in the discussion with the Pac-12 and Big XII for the 2nd best conference, but the SEC is going to stay number 1 almost every year. The B1G's problem is that the better athletes are not in their geographic footprint and if the Pac-12, Big XII, and ACC keep their athletes home the B1G will be the least athletic conference among the big 5 conferences. My point though is that WVU trolls like to talk a big game about the Big XII's revenue compared to the ACC's and its not a big difference in my original calculation I was giving them all 80 million of the Sugar Bowl money and they only should have gotten 40 million. The SEC is going to be swimming in cash along with the B1G. The problem for the B1G is that they have to dip into the Southeast and West to get better athletes and all the SEC has to do is keep them home. That is why the B1G wanted UNC and UVA to get good demographics for the BTN and get a better recruiting base for its member schools.

 

[Alsacs]

UT makes out the best with 30 million for the deal plus 15 million for the LHN.

Again, the tier 3 rights for schools like Texas and Oklahoma(football) and Kansas(basketball) are lucrative, but WVU flies make it out that K-State,Baylor, WVU brands are the same.

The Big XII is going to be making more TV money than the ACC, but the ACC performs well in the NCAA tournament like the Big East in the past they will be raking in money from TV units from the NCAA tournament.

One team in the Final Four is worth approximately 12 million dollars for the conference in tournament shares.
These are the figures from 2012 NCAA tournament

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebask...55530/it-pays-even-in-basketball-to-be-in-bcs
POST-SEASON MONEY DISTRIBUTIONS
The majority of conferences receive more revenue from the BCS than from the NCAA's Basketball Fund:

Conference BCS (millions) NCAA (millions)
ACC $21.2 $18.2
Big 10 $27.2 $18.5
Big 12 $21.2 $18.9
Big East $21.2 $24.9
Pac 10 $27.2 $16.1
SEC $27.2 $15.6
Mtn. West $12.8 $5.0
Mid-American $2.6 $1.7
Sun Belt $1.9 $2.4
C-USA $3.3 $6.9
WAC $4.1 $2.9

 

[SmilinBob]

They are angry because the ACC turned them down and they are on an island. They want more schools closer to them and by trying to discredit the ACC they feel they might be able to get a couple of schools to join the Big 12. Honestly, there really is a lot of Hadfield and McCoy in that group and they won't let anything go, especially after feeling disrespected by the ACC.

Also, maybe a little bit of fear as well. They could easily become Kansas east in football. They are lucky they have a good coach in Huggins because if he wasn't, they'd be in a possible Rutgers quality sports program.

 

[Crusty]

I hate having to work with 1 lawyer who was a WVU undergrad. They are SO ANNOYING and the butthurt that comes out of their mouths makes UConn fans blush.


Facts: The Big XII signed a 13 year contract with ESPN/FOX for 2.6 billion dollars. Which turns out to be 200 million dollars per season.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205680799&DB_OEM_ID=10410
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205680799&DB_OEM_ID=10410

Here is the figure 2.6 billion for 13 years. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...s-tv-contract-with-espn-fox-through-2025.html

Facts: This is only for Tier 1 and Tier 2 TV rights.

Facts: The Sugar Bowl will now be played by the SEC and Big XII when it isn't a playoff bowl and ESPN will pay 80 million dollars to broadcast, and only 55 million for the Orange Bowl. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8601209/sugar-bowl-new-orleans-site-marquee-big-12-sec-game

Facts: The Big XII got 42 million for bowl money last season and 20 million for NCAA basketball tournament shares. For 62 million total. http://www.frogsowar.com/2013/1/29/3928332/forbes-big-12-annual-payout-to-equal-26-million-per-team

Facts: So the Big XII will be distributing 340 million dollars next year after the Sugar Bowl 80 million is added in and the ACC will be distributing 348 million dollars next year after the 293 million dollars it distributed this season plus the 55 million from the Orange Bowl.

348/14= 24.85 million
340/10= 34 million

Why do you think the Big XII won't add any new schools because the only way they can keep their revenue higher is having less teams. This makes sense for the Big XII, but these WVU jihadists don't factor in they are flying all their sports teams to the Midwest for every conference game. The ACC is up and down the east coast and travel costs are a lot less.


Facts: So without an ACC network the Big XII will make more money and this without factoring in the future with Syracuse, Duke, North Carolina, Louisville leading the ACC basketball league that the NCAA credits the ACC will earn will eat the difference between the leagues as only Kansas is an annual contender in that league.

So can someone explain why these people are so freaking butt hurt, and talk like they are the only fanbase smart enough to break down the numbers. The real reason they make more revenue is the Orange Bowl-Sugar Bowl deals. If the ACC didn't suck in football these past few years the conference could have gotten more from the Orange Bowl. That 25 million less and less mouths to feed are the reason. Tier 3 rights for a crappy football game and basketball games are nothing to anybody, but Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas.

The ACC can fix its problems on the field, the Big XII needs Texas/Oklahoma to like the status quo.

You forgot the $50 million from Maryland!

 

[dinosaurbbq]

SEC is staying no where but at the top. The best athletes are already going to the SEC and it took a last second drive by Florida State to end their 7 year NC streak. The SEC isn't going anywhere. The ACC can improve and be in the discussion with the Pac-12 and Big XII for the 2nd best conference, but the SEC is going to stay number 1 almost every year. The B1G's problem is that the better athletes are not in their geographic footprint and if the Pac-12, Big XII, and ACC keep their athletes home the B1G will be the least athletic conference among the big 5 conferences. My point though is that WVU trolls like to talk a big game about the Big XII's revenue compared to the ACC's and its not a big difference in my original calculation I was giving them all 80 million of the Sugar Bowl money and they only should have gotten 40 million. The SEC is going to be swimming in cash along with the B1G. The problem for the B1G is that they have to dip into the Southeast and West to get better athletes and all the SEC has to do is keep them home. That is why the B1G wanted UNC and UVA to get good demographics for the BTN and get a better recruiting base for its member schools.

Alsacs -- We shall see. I am surprised that so many people have such a short memory. The SEC won't always be the best conference, just like it hasn't always been the best conference. The SEC began this period of relative dominance in 2006, 7 years ago. I understand 6 BCS titles in a row is a pretty significant feat, but looking at the conferences long term, there is no reason to believe the SEC will remain the best football conference in perpetuity. From 2002-2005 the ACC was the best conference. Before that is was the Big 10.

I think what makes one conference better than another is ultimately coaches, who lead the individual teams to victory and recruit talent to keep the program up top.

I think the Big 12 has very good coaches that can sell their programs and will keep the Big 12 in the top 2-3 conferences year to year. I personally think Charlie Strong at Texas will be a huge power and perennial national contender. Stoops at Oklahoma is perennial top 5-10. Art Briles at Baylor is an incredible coach. Gundy at Oklahoma State has them in the top 10-15 now every year. Patterson at TCU is a great coach and Kingsbury at Texas Tech is thought to be a wunderkind. Holgorsen is a great offensive coordinator but poor head coach and as I've said many times already, I believe Rich Rodriguez will be back at WVU next year and will absolutely kill it and raise that program back up to where it was before, a top 10 -15 year in and out. Bill Snyder at Kansas State is a very good coach, but recruiting will fall off there and that team will fall. Charlie Weiss at Kansas is a horrible head coach. Paul Rhoads at Iowa State can't possibly elevate that program due to lack of history and geography. There are a lot less bad or underachieving teams/coaches by virtue of the Big 12 only having 10 programs.

ACC coaches are very strong up top and through the middle. Jimbo Fisher has that program back at the top and they'll be there for a long time. Dabo is doing great things at Clemson with Chad Morris a huge part of that. I love this staff at SU right now and think we are a 9-10 win team for a decade starting in the next year or two. Al Golden at Miami is a very good coach and its a short matter of time before Miami is back to a perennial contender. Petrino at Louisville is a great coach. Fedora at UNC is doing well. Beemer at Va Tech is about done and it'll be interesting to see who they get to take over the reigns. Chryst at Pitt is at least a stabilizing force after the mess of coaches they've gone through. Johnson at Ga Tech sucks, but will win most games against evenly matched teams due to the otherwise unseen scheme. Addazio is smart enough to ride out his assets like Williams at RB this year. Cutliffe at Duke is gonna be a once in a great while decent team. Doeren isn't impressing anyone at NC State. Neither is Clawson at Wake or London at UVA.

SEC has very good coaches at the top and very good programs at the top, but once you get beyond and below them, the coaches and the programs aren't any better than any other conference. Gus Malzahn proved he was the best coach on the field in all of his team's games this year. Saban is an incredible coach. Les Miles is a very good coach who gets his players to play as hard as they can for him. Franklin is gone from Vandy and they'll fall back down to non-competitive. Hugh Freeze can recruit but we'll see if he can coach them up and lead a great team. He's a long ways off right now from that. Kevin Sumlin is a great unknown right now and I'd have to see him without Manziel to see what he can do over time. Pinkel is doing great things at Mizzou but lets see him do it over several years. The Old Ball Coach at South Carolina has lost his way with kids. I don't think Clowney would have pulled the same crap at Alambama or at LSU because I think those coaches would have filled him with fire to play whereas Spurrier didn't. Richt dealt with injuries this year, but has been a perennial underachiever. Stoops at Kentucky and Bielema at Arkansas are garbage. Muschamp is an abusive wildman and his players do not support him. Dan Mullen at Miss. St. sucks. Butch Jones at Tenn. is a good coach with lesser talent, but lets see if he can recruit long-term and coach a top flight team. I don't think he can at Tennessee.


Just about everything in this world ebbs and flows. The SEC will sink back down. Its been a historic run, but nothing lasts forever and there is no reason it should.



Ranking of conferences 2005 to present:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/10/18/4851744/pac-12-sec-best-conference
Ranking 2000 - :
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2008/8/26/597909/what-s-the-best-college-fo

 

[rosconey]

plain and simple -it was the only life boat wv had-and wv was the best the big12 could do-

any other explanation is just that but longer winded

 

[Moontan]

Doeren isn't impressing anyone at NC State. Neither is Clawson at Wake or London at UVA.

Clawson hasn't even coached a game yet at Wake. I'll go out in a limb here, but it may be too soon to label him as a dud.

 

[jgeorge322]

your coworker went to wvu undergrad. that explains everything.

 

[Alsacs]

your coworker went to wvu undergrad. that explains everything.

My coworker went to WVU undergrad and Duke law school. His pro-WVU/Big XII and anti-ACC crap is what is annoying, but his intelligence is not the question. They are nuts these WVU fans who they hold the state of WV with so much pride its crazy.

 

[jgeorge322]

My coworker went to WVU undergrad and Duke law school. His pro-WVU/Big XII and anti-ACC crap is what is annoying, but his intelligence is not the question. They are nuts these WVU fans who they hold the state of WV with so much pride its crazy.

i hear you. my uncle is big time in wvu athletics. he is a very prominent attorney in the charleston area. i still give him a hard time about wvu's academics because i can.

 

[CousCuse]

i hear you. my uncle is big time in wvu athletics. he is a very prominent attorney in the charleston area. i still give him a hard time about wvu's academics because i can.

You can also point out to your uncle that the Schwartswalder trophy resides in the Syracuse's trophy case and will for a long time.

 

[jgeorge322]

You can also point out to your uncle that the Schwartswalder trophy resides in the Syracuse's trophy case and will for a long time.

i dont pile on. hes family.

btw - funny handle. i enjoy cous cous from time to time.

 

[SWC75]

Again, the tier 3 rights for schools like Texas and Oklahoma(football) and Kansas(basketball) are lucrative, but WVU flies make it out that K-State,Baylor, WVU brands are the same.

The Big XII is going to be making more TV money than the ACC, but the ACC performs well in the NCAA tournament like the Big East in the past they will be raking in money from TV units from the NCAA tournament.

One team in the Final Four is worth approximately 12 million dollars for the conference in tournament shares.
These are the figures from 2012 NCAA tournament

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebask...55530/it-pays-even-in-basketball-to-be-in-bcs
POST-SEASON MONEY DISTRIBUTIONS
The majority of conferences receive more revenue from the BCS than from the NCAA's Basketball Fund:

Conference BCS (millions) NCAA (millions)
ACC $21.2 $18.2
Big 10 $27.2 $18.5
Big 12 $21.2 $18.9
Big East $21.2 $24.9
Pac 10 $27.2 $16.1
SEC $27.2 $15.6
Mtn. West $12.8 $5.0
Mid-American $2.6 $1.7
Sun Belt $1.9 $2.4
C-USA $3.3 $6.9
WAC $4.1 $2.9

Interesting that the Big East had the most combined revenue.

Isn't the Big 12 likely to have more teams in the Big Dance this year than the ACC? That may change in the future but I don't know that the ACC will bring in more BB revenue this year.

 

[Alsacs]

Interesting that the Big East had the most combined revenue.

Isn't the Big 12 likely to have more teams in the Big Dance this year than the ACC? That may change in the future but I don't know that the ACC will bring in more BB revenue this year.

The Big XII will get 6 or 7 teams in the Tournament, the ACC should get Syracuse, Duke, Virginia, Pitt, Florida State, North Carolina, and then I doubt they will get a 7th. However, NCAA credits earned by the conference teams winning games. If the Big XII sends 7 teams and they don't win games their credits won't be more than the ACC. I think Syracuse/Duke expect fairly deep runs while Kansas is the only Big XII that can expect a deep run. The Big XII has Oklahoma State, K-State, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Texas, Baylor that could all go on runs as well.

 

[SWC75]

Alsacs -- We shall see. I am surprised that so many people have such a short memory. The SEC won't always be the best conference, just like it hasn't always been the best conference. The SEC began this period of relative dominance in 2006, 7 years ago. I understand 6 BCS titles in a row is a pretty significant feat, but looking at the conferences long term, there is no reason to believe the SEC will remain the best football conference in perpetuity. From 2002-2005 the ACC was the best conference. Before that is was the Big 10.

I think what makes one conference better than another is ultimately coaches, who lead the individual teams to victory and recruit talent to keep the program up top.

I think the Big 12 has very good coaches that can sell their programs and will keep the Big 12 in the top 2-3 conferences year to year. I personally think Charlie Strong at Texas will be a huge power and perennial national contender. Stoops at Oklahoma is perennial top 5-10. Art Briles at Baylor is an incredible coach. Gundy at Oklahoma State has them in the top 10-15 now every year. Patterson at TCU is a great coach and Kingsbury at Texas Tech is thought to be a wunderkind. Holgorsen is a great offensive coordinator but poor head coach and as I've said many times already, I believe Rich Rodriguez will be back at WVU next year and will absolutely kill it and raise that program back up to where it was before, a top 10 -15 year in and out. Bill Snyder at Kansas State is a very good coach, but recruiting will fall off there and that team will fall. Charlie Weiss at Kansas is a horrible head coach. Paul Rhoads at Iowa State can't possibly elevate that program due to lack of history and geography. There are a lot less bad or underachieving teams/coaches by virtue of the Big 12 only having 10 programs.

ACC coaches are very strong up top and through the middle. Jimbo Fisher has that program back at the top and they'll be there for a long time. Dabo is doing great things at Clemson with Chad Morris a huge part of that. I love this staff at SU right now and think we are a 9-10 win team for a decade starting in the next year or two. Al Golden at Miami is a very good coach and its a short matter of time before Miami is back to a perennial contender. Petrino at Louisville is a great coach. Fedora at UNC is doing well. Beemer at Va Tech is about done and it'll be interesting to see who they get to take over the reigns. Chryst at Pitt is at least a stabilizing force after the mess of coaches they've gone through. Johnson at Ga Tech sucks, but will win most games against evenly matched teams due to the otherwise unseen scheme. Addazio is smart enough to ride out his assets like Williams at RB this year. Cutliffe at Duke is gonna be a once in a great while decent team. Doeren isn't impressing anyone at NC State. Neither is Clawson at Wake or London at UVA.

SEC has very good coaches at the top and very good programs at the top, but once you get beyond and below them, the coaches and the programs aren't any better than any other conference. Gus Malzahn proved he was the best coach on the field in all of his team's games this year. Saban is an incredible coach. Les Miles is a very good coach who gets his players to play as hard as they can for him. Franklin is gone from Vandy and they'll fall back down to non-competitive. Hugh Freeze can recruit but we'll see if he can coach them up and lead a great team. He's a long ways off right now from that. Kevin Sumlin is a great unknown right now and I'd have to see him without Manziel to see what he can do over time. Pinkel is doing great things at Mizzou but lets see him do it over several years. The Old Ball Coach at South Carolina has lost his way with kids. I don't think Clowney would have pulled the same crap at Alambama or at LSU because I think those coaches would have filled him with fire to play whereas Spurrier didn't. Richt dealt with injuries this year, but has been a perennial underachiever. Stoops at Kentucky and Bielema at Arkansas are garbage. Muschamp is an abusive wildman and his players do not support him. Dan Mullen at Miss. St. sucks. Butch Jones at Tenn. is a good coach with lesser talent, but lets see if he can recruit long-term and coach a top flight team. I don't think he can at Tennessee.


Just about everything in this world ebbs and flows. The SEC will sink back down. Its been a historic run, but nothing lasts forever and there is no reason it should.



Ranking of conferences 2005 to present:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/10/18/4851744/pac-12-sec-best-conference
Ranking 2000 - :
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2008/8/26/597909/what-s-the-best-college-fo

National champions as recognized by the writers, (1936), Coaches (1950) and the BCS, (1998), including split titles:

1930's: Big 10, Ind, SWC, SWC (my favorite conference)
1940's:Big 10, Big 10, Big 10, Ind, Ind, Ind, Ind, Ind-Big 10, Big 10, Ind
1950's: Big 8, SEC, Big 10, ACC, Big 10-Pac 8, Big 8, Big 8, SEC-Big 10, SEC, Ind
1960's: Big 10, SEC, Pac 8, SWC, SEC, SEC-Big 10, Ind, Pac 8, Big 10, SWC
1970's: Big 8, Big 8, Pac 8, Ind, Big 8-Pac 8, Big 8, Ind, Ind, SEC-Pac 10, SEC
1980's: SEC, ACC, Ind, Ind, WAC, Big 8, Ind, Ind, Ind, Ind
1990's: Big 8-ACC, Ind-Pac 10, SEC, ACC, Big 8, Big 8, SEC, Big 12-Big 10, SEC, ACC
2000's: Big 12, Big East, Big 10, SEC-Pac 10, Pac 10, Big 12, SEC, SEC, SEC, SEC
2010's: SEC, SEC, SEC, ACC

Yes, it used to be much more competitive. I think the balance of power has shifted south, with only one national champion in the last 16 seasons coming from north of the Mason-Dixon line because it used to be that northern teams were famous for their size and strength because they spent half the a year sin doors lifting weights while southern teams spent 12 months year outside, running. But everybody lifts weight, (and other things) these days so everybody is big and strong. That's not an advantage anymore- just a minimum requirement to compete. The advantage is in speed and the southern schools have first dibs on that.

The ACC has never been as good as the SEC because it's been primarily a basketball conference, rather than a football conference. It had to import ready-made football powerhouses in Miami and Florida State, (and those teams faded in the last decade, although the 'Noles are now 'back'). Football's always been #1 in the SEC. Kentucky became a basketball powerhouse simply because they couldn't compete in football so, like the ACC, they sought another outlet for their ambitions. (For many years, basketball standings in conferences seemed to be the football standings, inverted: thus, Kentucky was the best basketball program in the SEC, Indiana in the Big Ten and Kansas in the Big 8-12. It's still true but to a lesser extent as the football schools discovered money could be made in basketball, too.)

I was hopeful that FSU would dominate Auburn, as they had dominated their ACC opponents, and herald a new era in which the SEC would not be dominant anymore. Instead they got dominated and had to put on a miracle rally to win. I don't think their win shifted the balance of power. It just confirmed where the power really was.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

i hear you. my uncle is big time in wvu athletics. he is a very prominent attorney in the charleston area. i still give him a hard time about wvu's academics because i can.

Who is your uncle? I'm an attorney in Charleston, WV from Rochester, NY originally

 

[dinosaurbbq]

Clawson hasn't even coached a game yet at Wake. I'll go out in a limb here, but it may be too soon to label him as a dud.

Moontan -- I agree that calling him a dud before he starts is unfair and he might turn out to be a great coach and win some games at Wake. I don't think it will happen. Here's why:
The upside:
1. I'll give him credit for being an incredibly smart guy. A degree from Williams College is far more impressive than a degree from Harvard or Yale. It is where the smartest of the smart go and no one gets in due to family connections or money.
2. I'll give him credit for guiding Bowling Green this season to a 10-3 record and a win over an over-rated NIU team in the Little Caesar's Bowl.
3. I'll give him credit for taking three small programs in lesser conferences from being really bad to winning conference championships at Fordham, Richmond and Bowling Green.

However, here is the downside:
1. In smaller conferences, a really smart coach can take a team from being really bad to winning a championship relatively quickly. In the Power 5, that doesn't happen. It doesn't happen because athleticism and talent almost always wins. Just about every team in the ACC has more talent and athleticism than Wake Forest.
2. The only exception to that is coaching geniuses with inventive schemes, like Hal Mumme, Mike Leach, Rich Rodriguez, or Dana Holgorsen, Those guys have beaten better, more athletic teams with scheme. Clawson doesn't have an ingenious scheme. Clawson basically does what Lou Addazio did this year, ride the most talented player on offense, whether that be the RB, QB, WR, whatever. He has depended on talent. When you are in a Power 5 conference, playing against more athletic teams, they can typically shut down that one guy and beat you. One talented guy isn't going to win you games in the ACC.
3. Wake Forest has very little talent and its best players just graduated. What talent is he going to showcase or rely upon there?
4. He is in the same division as FSU, Clemson, Syracuse and Louisville, who I believe will be the best 4 teams in the ACC this year and for the foreseeable future. Wake and BC and NC State should split games over time, but who else is he gonna beat?
5. His recruits aren't going to bring him that talent. He has 20 commits, 9 of them 3 star, 11 are 2 star.
6. No one on his coaching staff screams success. He doesn't have great recruiters. He doesn't have great scheme guys as coordinators or position coaches.
7. Wake doesn't care a whole lot about its football team.