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Message: [QUOTE="Todd Gack, post: 1028984, member: 869"] That's the answer I'm looking for -- it attacks your pride. I'm in my mid-30s and grew up in CNY and have several SU alums in my family. And while I'm not an alum, and now live in DC, I watch every SU basketball and football game, and have season tickets for football. I have pride in my family -- but I don't have any pride in the color orange. I get it now -- and will leave you guys to beat your breast. [/QUOTE]