Can we discuss this sequence?

[JoeySimz]

Please excuse me if there's already a thread. I had to take a friend to the ER at halftime so I didn't see the second half until late last night. This sequence of plays had me going nuts.

Just to change course prior to that drop INT by Rodney, there was PI call around the 3:00 minute on Frederick. To me it was iffy based on the mugging they were doing to Ish throughout the day. The very next play, watch while Rosier is scrambling to his left and No. 52 from Miami grabs our #52 but no flag is thrown. Of course the ref is right behind the play too...smh. He throws the flag it's 1st and 20+ yards. The very next play is when RB bust if for a TD. To me that was a huge non-call that could have changed things.

PI call was right according to rules but not according to how the refs were allowing contact all the way down field all game against our guys.

As noted above, 52 (Samuels I think) was blatantly held right in front of the ref. Huge non-call which set up their score.

And can someone explain the interception ruling? Looked to me like a good catch and both feet in. What was the call?

Not to mention the terrible re-spot after the line judge ruled first down. Wth was that?
Also did anyone else catch the three refs passing the ball across the field to eachother for the spot. With each pass we lost a yard.

I'm so frustrated bc we could have gotten the ball back with plenty of time to get in fg position. How perfect would a Murphy game-winner have been?

 

[UnknownOrange]

Please excuse me if there's already a thread. I had to take a friend to the ER at halftime so I didn't see the second half until late last night. This sequence of plays had me going nuts.



PI call was right according to rules but not according to how the refs were allowing contact all the way down field all game against our guys.

As noted above, 52 (Samuels I think) was blatantly held right in front of the ref. Huge non-call which set up their score.

And can someone explain the interception ruling? Looked to me like a good catch and both feet in. What was the call?

Not to mention the terrible re-spot after the line judge ruled first down. Wth was that?
Also did anyone else catch the three refs passing the ball across the field to eachother for the spot. With each pass we lost a yard.

I'm so frustrated bc we could have gotten the ball back with plenty of time to get in fg position. How perfect would a Murphy game-winner have been?

RW did not get his feet in

 

[JoeySimz]

RW did not get his feet in

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That whole sequence where we were marked for 1st and goal, then Miami was slow getting their sub off, we snapped, but they gave Richt the TO, then after the TO they reviewed the spot, changed it, made it 3rd for us, and gave Richt back the TO was incredible.

 

[All4SU]

That whole sequence where we were marked for 1st and goal, then Miami was slow getting their sub off, we snapped, but they gave Richt the TO, then after the TO they reviewed the spot, changed it, made it 3rd for us, and gave Richt back the TO was incredible.

That one, and the one where the ref said we had a first down, but we were led to believe it was third and short, so we run a third down play, and get cdlled for illegal procedure. Is it's thurd and 9 instead of first down. Fortunately SU picked up the third and 9. Just bizarre.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That one, and the one where the ref said we had a first down, but we were led to believe it was third and short, so we run a third down play, and get cdlled for illegal procedure. Is it's thurd and 9 instead of first down. Fortunately SU picked up the third and 9. Just bizarre.

Yeah, that was also terrible.

 

[Chip]

That one, and the one where the ref said we had a first down, but we were led to believe it was third and short, so we run a third down play, and get cdlled for illegal procedure. Is it's thurd and 9 instead of first down. Fortunately SU picked up the third and 9. Just bizarre.

Was that the series that TV couldn’t figure out what the refs were doing? We got the first down but the yellow line was still 3 yards away.

 

[rrlbees]

That whole sequence where we were marked for 1st and goal, then Miami was slow getting their sub off, we snapped, but they gave Richt the TO, then after the TO they reviewed the spot, changed it, made it 3rd for us, and gave Richt back the TO was incredible.

I'm not sure the refs did anything wrong there. If anyone was gonna get screwed it was clemson if they were called for too many men on the field. When erv went off the field it allowed Miami to make subs. The refs stepped away from the ball and let us snap it. That's where they screwed up. But the challenge and reversing the first down was the correct call. He was clearly 1/2 yard short. And you get your time out back if the challenge is successful.

 

[rrlbees]

Was that the series that TV couldn’t figure out what the refs were doing? We got the first down but the yellow line was still 3 yards away.

I thought at the time the tv people were all screwed up.

 

[Ghost]

I'm not sure the refs did anything wrong there. If anyone was gonna get screwed it was clemson if they were called for too many men on the field. When erv went off the field it allowed Miami to make subs. The refs stepped away from the ball and let us snap it. That's where they screwed up. But the challenge and reversing the first down was the correct call. He was clearly 1/2 yard short. And you get your time out back if the challenge is successful.

The only weird thing to me on that play is how long it took. I mean, can you just stop the game and substitute 11 men, take maybe 2.5 minutes doing so by having each run off one at a time? That dude leaving the field was way late and started leaving the field after the other Miami subs had probably made their way off (at least in my memory). At some point, isn't he just some random Miami defender running around the field? (Hypothetical question)

Theoretically, I guess you could do 11 super-slow-style based on that.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I'm not sure the refs did anything wrong there. If anyone was gonna get screwed it was clemson if they were called for too many men on the field. When erv went off the field it allowed Miami to make subs. The refs stepped away from the ball and let us snap it. That's where they screwed up. But the challenge and reversing the first down was the correct call. He was clearly 1/2 yard short. And you get your time out back if the challenge is successful.

Myself admitting I definitely don’t know all the rules but knowing when things look strange, I have some questions about that play. Is there a time limit to make a substitution? I mean Erv had been off the field , his replacement was in and the announcers mentioned that Miami’s defense had gone into their stance. It sure seemed like it took quite a while for Miami to react and get their player off the field. Is someone supposed to notify an opponent when a player is subbed out? Just seemed strange.

 

[upperdeck]

if the refs see a sub, the head guy tells his partner to step in a stop the snap.. when he feels enough time has passed he tells him to jump out. A couple times we didnt sub and they stopped us, though we seemed to want to slow it down on those plays anyway.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm not sure the refs did anything wrong there. If anyone was gonna get screwed it was clemson if they were called for too many men on the field. When erv went off the field it allowed Miami to make subs. The refs stepped away from the ball and let us snap it. That's where they screwed up. But the challenge and reversing the first down was the correct call. He was clearly 1/2 yard short. And you get your time out back if the challenge is successful.

The spot was definitely bad. That's not my issue. My issue is Richt didn't call time to challenge the spot, he called time because we snapped it and he was going to get flagged got 12 men on the field. I get the ref moved early, but that happened, and the dlineman wasn't making any indication he was coming off the field when the ref moved. He might have even been in his stance. The timeout ended and it looked like they hadn't reviewed the play because the teams were heading back on to the field. Then they reviewed it.

What was up with that?

 

[rrlbees]

The spot was definitely bad. That's not my issue. My issue is Richt didn't call time to challenge the spot, he called time because we snapped it and he was going to get flagged got 12 men on the field. I get the ref moved early, but that happened, and the dlineman wasn't making any indication he was coming off the field when the ref moved. He might have even been in his stance. The timeout ended and it looked like they hadn't reviewed the play because the teams were heading back on to the field. Then they reviewed it.

What was up with that?

Obviously during the timeout Miami asked for the review.

 

[Halfmooncuse]

Every week strange things happen in the SU. Coincidence or not...I'm going with the conspiracy theory. The ACC does not like the BOYS FROM SYRACUSE!. Maybe if we had a statue of Robert E Lee next to the Saltine Warrior...

 

[rrlbees]

Every week strange things happen in the SU. Coincidence or not...I'm going with the conspiracy theory. The ACC does not like the BOYS FROM SYRACUSE!. Maybe if we had a statue of Robert E Lee next to the Saltine Warrior...

If that conspiracy were true, no way we beat Clemson.

 

[upperdeck]

Miami didnt ask for a review.. the refs just did it because they had so much time during the TO to actually come back from the bathroom and catch up on the plays they missed.

its a part of the review process that is screwed up. how long do they have to review a play? without a TO they dont review it. if they have 20 min injury time out and decide to review a play does that make it more important than a play after we run tempo?

the kids and coaches have a job why not the replay dude? if they play needs a review he needs to be paying attention and get it done not just randomly because has more time pick some to review and ignore other plays..

mistakes happen. if coaches want a play review call their TO and do it and lets stop relying on a guy who doesnt seem to really watch every play to catch mistakes, Huge errors on spotting the ball against NC st never got reviewed but our key play against Clemson did? how does that happen?

and get rid of the 5 min to figure it out.. give him 1 min watch 2-3 replays and if you cant decide just go with the call on the field, they dont get it right on replay either ( right jets fans) all the time.

 

[rrlbees]

Miami didnt ask for a review.. the refs just did it because they had so much time during the TO to actually come back from the bathroom and catch up on the plays they missed.

its a part of the review process that is screwed up. how long do they have to review a play? without a TO they dont review it. if they have 20 min injury time out and decide to review a play does that make it more important than a play after we run tempo?

the kids and coaches have a job why not the replay dude? if they play needs a review he needs to be paying attention and get it done not just randomly because has more time pick some to review and ignore other plays..

mistakes happen. if coaches want a play review call their TO and do it and lets stop relying on a guy who doesnt seem to really watch every play to catch mistakes, Huge errors on spotting the ball against NC st never got reviewed but our key play against Clemson did? how does that happen?

and get rid of the 5 min to figure it out.. give him 1 min watch 2-3 replays and if you cant decide just go with the call on the field, they dont get it right on replay either ( right jets fans) all the time.

How do you know Miami didn't ask for it?

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

The Rodney Williams dropped INT prior to Miami's final TD run had nothing to do with his feet...he didn't catch the ball. It wasn't even close, it bounced off his hands & fell to the ground. Had he caught in cleanly, his foot landed well inbounds. As I said in another thread, it was an absolute gift by UM that we didn't capitalize on...a play you have to make to upset #8 on the road.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Obviously during the timeout Miami asked for the review.

Well sir, it's crappy and I don't like it. Not one bit.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Babers looked very frustrated with Erv on the sideline immediately after he subbed out.

I know Erv was hobbled but it looked like coach wanted him just to line up to be a decoy so the Miamai D was forced to stay on the field.

That cost us a TD because we had favorable matchups with their gassed personnel. The ref who let us snap the ball before Miami’s subs were in place messed up big time.

 

[All4SU]

One thing that we may have to admit is that perhaps the Adventures in Officiatibg we have seen this season could be a direct by-product of somuch up tempo offense. The crew on Saturday may have been taken out of their game by the pace.