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Message: [QUOTE="JeremyCuse, post: 1813740, member: 43"] I guess put me in the shocked if we won camp. When I said sure loss I meant highly highly unlikely. I would never say 0% because crazy stuff happens and I expect SU to be competitive. But like I said I don't see this team in year 1 under Coach Babers having the ability to beat teams of that level/class. Would love to be wrong but I have seen enough college football to know its likely to take a couple of years for us to get on the level of being able to pull out a W. [/QUOTE]