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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 2649469, member: 237"] To bring over from that thread- Washington was 82 when still in the US. Both he and Oshae we're hurt by being in Canada where they are not ranked by US rankings sites. Similar issue with Marek as you can't even say he was 100-200 at all because he was international. As I asked before how do you define elite or top 20? If it's rankings on paper purely then you missing a huge faction of reality as results are what are key. Oshae, Marek, Bourama and Washington all contributed with Oshae and Marek having large roles and Oshae averaging nearly a double double. If that is not a top 20 class production wise then please define what is. Again not on paper but what is an elite class? How does rankings on paper mean more than actual production? [/QUOTE]