Check under the hood...

[corpjet]

Interesting take from Urban Meyer, does the Syracuse Football team suffer from all 3 of his points?
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[LeMoyneCuse]

Interesting thought exercise for sure. Thanks for posting.

 

[orangepassion]

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[oldpinepoint]

Really good listen, we probably have 2 maybe 3 of those

 

[GoSU96]

Interesting take from Urban Meyer, does the Syracuse Football team suffer from all 3 of his points?
Check Under the Hood

the talent difference in the nfl is marginal, with the difference being difference maker players, injuries, and luck.

college is much different, the disparity in talent level is significant

 

[Bulldog04]

Wow. No wonder he’s successful. Great points there. Now come coach SU lol

 

[TheCusian]

"I don't think it's the players or the coaches"

Seems odd.

Also not sure I buy the "no excuses" rah-rah stuff. His take seems to be we can all be champions if we just believe! It's classic in that some of it is true. Players and coaches must hold themselves to a high standard and be super accountable to it. If your team does those things, they will be the best they can be - which could still be 2nd to last in the division.

 

[HtownOrange]

Trust issues:. Does not seem to be a real issue
Reasonable expectations: Not fROm tHiS faN BasE! Though I think Babers is more realistic with the team.
Selfishness: maybe some in this COVID- Crap year, but generally no. Some receivers need to block downfield better, but that is a training matter.

I do see improvement in the overall quality of recruiting, though we need extra work on the lines and at QB. I see our depth is better. Babers is starting lots of you get guys (yes, most due to I jury, but these kids would be seeing the field, regardless). If you look at what Claussen has done and what Dabo did (Dabo had a much better starting point) I think you will see Babers is following the same infrastructural builds team wise. As a fan, I want wins but I think Babers is on the right track. Look back to Mac, he had to do the same.

There are other issues like play calling and such, but I think Babers is more willing to adapt than we give credit for. He will, by nature, revert to what he knows best until he masters a new game plan.

 

[Orijinal]

I think Syracuse actually might be dealing with trust issues. I'm talking about coaches trusting younger players with maybe a little more than the coaches feel they can handle. I believe coaches are constantly simplifying the playback to the detriment of actually being able to find success on offense

I also think Syracuse might have a selfishness problem. Too many times in Syracuse (and as evidenced during Dino Babers tenure) players will play up to a big time matchup, but not give the same effort throughout the year. They showed up for Clemson this year, and they showed up for BC because BC whooped us last year. Will they continue to show up?

Too many times a Dino Babers defense has not wanted to tackle in the running game. Dino has even mentioned this in his press conferences. He talked about players continuing to stick their nose in and tackle the running back even though it hurts

I don't think work ethic is an issue at all with this coaching staff ...especially Dino. I actually think Dino sometimes outsmarts himself of over thinks details, and then adjusts so much that it doesn't free up play on the field.

 

[Pyle]

I wonder if Saban would feel the same way if he coached the Lions with Millen as GM.

 

[Ernj]

Trust issues:. Does not seem to be a real issue
Reasonable expectations: Not fROm tHiS faN BasE! Though I think Babers is more realistic with the team.
Selfishness: maybe some in this COVID- Crap year, but generally no. Some receivers need to block downfield better, but that is a training matter.

I do see improvement in the overall quality of recruiting, though we need extra work on the lines and at QB. I see our depth is better. Babers is starting lots of you get guys (yes, most due to I jury, but these kids would be seeing the field, regardless). If you look at what Claussen has done and what Dabo did (Dabo had a much better starting point) I think you will see Babers is following the same infrastructural builds team wise. As a fan, I want wins but I think Babers is on the right track. Look back to Mac, he had to do the same.

There are other issues like play calling and such, but I think Babers is more willing to adapt than we give credit for. He will, by nature, revert to what he knows best until he masters a new game plan.

Sadly, unless things have gotten better, there were signs of players having trust issues at the beginning of the year with Babers and Wildhack. There were players that posted to SM they felt that HCDB took too long to release a statement regarding BLM. And there was at least one player that made a negative comment again on SM when Wildhack released a statement about the Jacob Blake shooting.

If there are people who are openly criticizing the coaches/admin on SM, there are likely others behind the scenes who are not happy. Doesn't have to be the whole team to cause a downward spiral, especially if those who openly posted to SM were the stars of the team.

The trust issues do not have to be just football related. Trust issues in one area will manifest into all around trust issues which will often times lead to negative team cohesion.

 

[richard levy]

the talent difference in the nfl is marginal, with the difference being difference maker players, injuries, and luck.

college is much different, the disparity in talent level is significant

i agree with the last sentence, however, as you alluded to with the first statement about the NFL, the difference makers in college matter. Syracuse has had some, Sr. season with Dwight Freeney, sr. season with Eric Dungey. The Alabama wide receivers, they have two or more every season that catch everything in their zip code and are uncatchable in the open field

 

[TheCusian]

Sadly, unless things have gotten better, there were signs of players having trust issues at the beginning of the year with Babers and Wildhack. There were players that posted to SM they felt that HCDB took too long to release a statement regarding BLM. And there was at least one player that made a negative comment again on SM when Wildhack released a statement about the Jacob Blake shooting.

If there are people who are openly criticizing the coaches/admin on SM, there are likely others behind the scenes who are not happy. Doesn't have to be the whole team to cause a downward spiral, especially if those who openly posted to SM were the stars of the team.

The trust issues do not have to be just football related. Trust issues in one area will manifest into all around trust issues which will often times lead to negative team cohesion.

I don't think we're alone - I think you could probably find similar issues under the hood of Urban's stops

 

[Ernj]

I don't think we're alone - I think you could probably find similar issues under the hood of Urban's stops

I am talking specifically about Syracuse.

 

[TheCusian]

I am talking specifically about Syracuse.

Yeah, I get that. The stuff you listed isn't unique and happens at every program. I don't think the "downward spiral" is because there is not enough kumbaya sessions. You need leadership, absolutely - from players to coaches. You can overcome trust issues. But this season isn't due to a leadership vacuum or not enough belief without evidence. It's a bit of that, a bit of COVID, a lot of injuries, a year where football feels less important, etc, etc.

 

[Ernj]

Yeah, I get that. The stuff you listed isn't unique and happens at every program. I don't think the "downward spiral" is because there is not enough kumbaya sessions. You need leadership, absolutely - from players to coaches. You can overcome trust issues. But this season isn't due to a leadership vacuum or not enough belief without evidence. It's a bit of that, a bit of COVID, a lot of injuries, a year where football feels less important, etc, etc.

I agree that you could overcome trust issues, but they also may not. I thought I pointed that out with the first sentence. The conversation is about trusting the coaches. If the players lose trust in the coaches then it is harder to regain that trust rather than having their back the whole time. There were signs that some players did lose trust in HCDB and ADJW related to non-football issues.

 

[TheCusian]

I agree that you could overcome trust issues, but they also may not. I thought I pointed that out with the first sentence. The conversation is about trusting the coaches. If the players lose trust in the coaches then it is harder to regain that trust rather than having their back the whole time. There were signs that some players did lose trust in HCDB and ADJW related to non-football issues.

Those particular issues are easier to overcome, I think. Dabo had similar missteps.

Reasonable people can disagree about this stuff. We’ll see how it all plays out.

 

[Redrum]

Sadly, unless things have gotten better, there were signs of players having trust issues at the beginning of the year with Babers and Wildhack. There were players that posted to SM they felt that HCDB took too long to release a statement regarding BLM. And there was at least one player that made a negative comment again on SM when Wildhack released a statement about the Jacob Blake shooting.

If there are people who are openly criticizing the coaches/admin on SM, there are likely others behind the scenes who are not happy. Doesn't have to be the whole team to cause a downward spiral, especially if those who openly posted to SM were the stars of the team.

The trust issues do not have to be just football related. Trust issues in one area will manifest into all around trust issues which will often times lead to negative team cohesion.

great take , your so right especially with young adults who are easily influenced without real life experience to know sometimes things are more complicated than they appear

 

[TheCusian]

great take , your so right especially with young adults who are easily influenced without real life experience to know sometimes things are more complicated than they appear

That’s exactly why this time in their lives can be powerful.. learn how to *start* figuring things out*

*I’m still working on it

 

[tipphill]

penalties a trust issue????? player analysis a trust issue??? lack of leadership including dino???? there are no excuses --- this season has brought many issues to the forefront . maybe if i am positive, this season may turn out to be a blessing in disguise. as one other poster said treat this like our extra practices for a bowl game.
discipline, PLAYER leadership head coach FLEXIBILITY and LEADERSHIP. just my ho