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Message: [QUOTE="NJCuse97, post: 3664534, member: 5058"] But this argument is a football only argument and that is taking into account that we have been mediocre in men's basketball as you say, which I question would be cause for any movement when you consider that we've won some important games against Duke, UNC, UVA, Pitt... Not sure what more they could honestly want/expect. As fans, we want NCAA championships, but in reality, has NCState or UVA done more than us? Wake? BC? GaTech? Now consider the overall athletics department. We've won the NC in Field Hockey, Cross Country, been in the Final Four in men's soccer, women's lacrosse, our men's lacrosse is returning to their almost unrealistic exceptional (Bama level) status, in a league that truly values lacrosse. I believe people are making an argument, I just don't see that the argument has merit. [/QUOTE]