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Sure, twelve of them were their first possession

In an age where teams are shooting more threes than ever, we are daring opponents to shoot them and not wanting to shoot them ourselves. Rebounding is part of it but not that much of it
 
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Millhouse said:
Sure, twelve of them were their first possession

In an age where teams are sitting more threes than ever, we are daring opponents to shoot them and not wanting to shoot them ourselves. Rebounding is part of it but not that much of it
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And when we finally decided to go out and cover them, it tore apart our interior defense. The Tigers roared to 20 for 29, (69%) on shots inside the arc. That's how it's supposed to work.
 
SWC75 said:
And when we finally decided to go out and cover them, it tore apart our interior defense. The Tigers roared to 20 for 29, (69%) on shots inside the arc. That's how it's supposed to work.
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I rolled my eyes for years at the people will insisted for years there was something special about the zone that made teams struggle from three. It was always just goading people into shooting who shouldn't. Credit to boeheim for noticing that low hanging fruit for such a long time. But it's picked over now
 
Millhouse said:
I rolled my eyes for years at the people will insisted for years there was something special about the zone that made teams struggle from three. It was always just goading people into shooting who shouldn't. Credit to boeheim for noticing that low hanging fruit for such a long time. But it's picked over now
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Teams certainly appear more and more comfortable executing zone offense. But one major advantage of the zone which never gets discussed is its ability to dictate how the opponent can run offense. Opponents must alter their game plan, and in the past this really bothered many opponents. We even saw how it completely neutralized Terquavion Smith a few games ago. It is still very good at shutting down dribble drive attacks. It is still capable of neutralizing, or at least forcing adaptation, from high value perimeter players.

That being said people are lighting it up this year. Our zone is awful.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
We shoot so few 3's because we run an isolation offense and can't screen for sht.
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It's not obvious to me what we are even trying to run on offense. They're no dummies, I'm sure they are trying to do something, but I'm the dumb one that can't see it
 
Cusefan0307 said:
We shoot so few 3's because we run an isolation offense and can't screen for sht.
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It’s not so much the screening, but the lack of body movements, especially cutting to the basket. We don’t make the defense move. We are easy to defend. Bell and Benny would do much better in a passing motion offense.
 
SWC75 said:
And when we finally decided to go out and cover them, it tore apart our interior defense. The Tigers roared to 20 for 29, (69%) on shots inside the arc. That's how it's supposed to work.
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This was early in the game before they started shredding the interior. This was the best time for Syracuse, Judah just assisted Joe on a transition 3 and they were down 5 but getting stops.

This play was just so effective. Partly, at least in this play, is that Quadir doesn't realize that Hall is screening him until it's too late.

Start with the ball up top and there are three choices for a pass
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Pass goes to the middle, zone collapses. At this point, Judah is in no-man's land caught between two shooters on the arc. Quadir is battling Hall down low, but this is a mismatch and Clemson, I think, knows it., as 4 can shoot it or kick back out.
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He kicks it back out to Chase Hunter, Judah commits to him, leaving Tyson all by his lonesome on the bench side. Hall didn't even work at sealing off Copeland, he just stopped leaning back into Cope and let him into the lane. Tyson has about 35% of the half-court to work with. And
he buried it
.

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Also after Tyson takes the shot, all Hall had to do was take two steps to block out Jesse for a rebound (if there was one).
 
Fly Rodder said:
This was early in the game before they started shredding the interior. This was the best time for Syracuse, Judah just assisted Joe on a transition 3 and they were down 5 but getting stops.

This play was just so effective. Partly, at least in this play, is that Quadir doesn't realize that Hall is screening him until it's too late.

Start with the ball up top and there are three choices for a pass
View attachment 225393

Pass goes to the middle, zone collapses. At this point, Judah is in no-man's land caught between two shooters on the arc. Quadir is battling Hall down low, but this is a mismatch and Clemson, I think, knows it., as 4 can shoot it or kick back out.
View attachment 225394

He kicks it back out to Chase Hunter, Judah commits to him, leaving Tyson all by his lonesome on the bench side. Hall didn't even work at sealing off Copeland, he just stopped leaning back into Cope and let him into the lane. Tyson has about 35% of the half-court to work with. And
he buried it
.

View attachment 225398
Also after Tyson takes the shot, all Hall had to do was take two steps to block out Jesse for a rebound (if there was one).
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Who is Joe guarding on this play??
 
djcon57 said:
Who is Joe guarding on this play??
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You’re a smart guy. If you watch the video and not just a still you’ll figure it out. I’ve mentioned it before.
 
Scooch said:
We take the fewest amount of three point shots in the ACC, despite shooting them at the 6th best rate. Our offense makes no sense whatsoever.

Why do we take so few three pointers?
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last season was even worse...you have the best 3 point shooting lineup in JB's career...sacrificing a lot on the defensive end to make that happen...and yet opponents often shot a lot more 3s than that squad did too...(i think lack of a pg hurt there, a bit ...but not enough to excuse it) opponents averaged 8 more 3's a game last season than the Orange did!

please can anyone explain??

last seasons team shouldve shot every shot from 3 ...not these buddy backdown fadeaway strips that lead to breakaway dunks for opponents...

in this era of steph curry...forcing teams to shoot 3s is a loser.

and not shooting enough 3s is also a loser

and yet somehow JB is doing both.

overall...there is little coherence, big picture-wise on what happens on the court recently for the team...all due to zealously refusing to budge on system (that has been over-scouted and prepped by oppnonents by now)
 
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rrlbees said:
You’re a smart guy. If you watch the video and not just a still you’ll figure it out. I’ve mentioned it before.
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Yes, I deliberately select still frames to make Joe look bad in the zone.

But the whole pint of these frames were the quick 3 passes to pick on a mismatch where a senior abused a frosh by moving all of about two feet.
 
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djcon57 said:
Who is Joe guarding on this play??
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If Brown and Joe were talking, Brown has no one on the block and can cover the corner. Joe should rotate up and push Judah to the wing. It takes communication and intensity. Joe usually rotates down to the corner when the ball goes into the high post. It’s hard work, but talking can make it a lot easier.
 
hoopsupstate said:
If Brown and Joe were talking, Brown has no one on the block and can cover the corner. Joe should rotate up and push Judah to the wing. It takes communication and intensity. Joe usually rotates down to the corner when the ball goes into the high post. It’s hard work, but talking can make it a lot easier.
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So who was Joe actually guarding on the play?
 
Fly Rodder said:
Yes, I deliberately select still frames to make Joe look bad in the zone.

But the whole pint of these frames were the quick 3 passes to pick on a mismatch where a senior abused a frosh by moving all of about two feet.
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My comment wasn’t to you nor an indictment on your stills. Just that is all cases stills don’t always tell the whole story.
 
Fly Rodder said:
This was early in the game before they started shredding the interior. This was the best time for Syracuse, Judah just assisted Joe on a transition 3 and they were down 5 but getting stops.

This play was just so effective. Partly, at least in this play, is that Quadir doesn't realize that Hall is screening him until it's too late.

Start with the ball up top and there are three choices for a pass
View attachment 225393

Pass goes to the middle, zone collapses. At this point, Judah is in no-man's land caught between two shooters on the arc. Quadir is battling Hall down low, but this is a mismatch and Clemson, I think, knows it., as 4 can shoot it or kick back out.
View attachment 225394

He kicks it back out to Chase Hunter, Judah commits to him, leaving Tyson all by his lonesome on the bench side. Hall didn't even work at sealing off Copeland, he just stopped leaning back into Cope and let him into the lane. Tyson has about 35% of the half-court to work with. And
he buried it
.

View attachment 225398
Also after Tyson takes the shot, all Hall had to do was take two steps to block out Jesse for a rebound (if there was one).
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"Copeland is lost on D, and late again!"

What exactly is he supposed to do here? It's an impossible task.
 
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