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Message: [QUOTE="jr4750, post: 290708, member: 117"] Besides last years ACC title, of which they parlayed that success, into a 70-33 butt whooping, what was the last thing that they won? I felt the need to start a thread purely for my own mental health. Of the 4 X16 model, to think that teams such as Vanderbilt, MN, Indiana, ISU, would get seats at a table of which we aren't invited speaks to the absurdity. At least FSU used to be good. Clemson is dirty as can be, stinks in just about every other sport other than football, is mediocre academically, and has never been a consistent winner. Certainly a school of merit! :crazy: They do have a great fanbase and gameday atmosphere, I'll give them that! Not saying Syracuse matches up, but these schools outside of the big dawgs, all have similar stature. What market does Clemson really bring? Southern fans? It's so hot down there, I guess watching TV on Saturdays is the only option... Vent over... [/QUOTE]