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Message: [QUOTE="tipphill, post: 3234144, member: 4809"] true he did under perform with some excellent talent at times. he was very good coach not great. he is an excellent individual as far as could tell based on his public persona and the orgeron story. as far as his last 3 yrs----i give a pass. that is all on the chancellor, board of whatever, gross as well as jake for not investing in the program facilities etc etc. p did not start the car, be drove the car that the university gave him. he got the same deja vu all over again that happened to ben at the end of his career as a result of a lack of investment. su is never proactive they wait until disaster strikes then take some action. stephanie miner was allowed tom put a nail in the coffin . her unbridled ego helped put the city and university back decades. most of us know that su needed that state money but that is another story. [/QUOTE]