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Message: [QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 4003880, member: 2585"] You had me until the bit about overall record. It’s the kind of thing that gets divorced from the “why” in a way that starts to a little too abstract. I agree that it can be useful in answering the question “can he get it done moving forward” but only when weighted properly (not everyone attempts this, but it’s key). If the reasons (or excuses in your parlance) for our record and place in the ACC are external to the coach, *you must* factor that in or be doomed to have the same problem with the next coach. And the one after. (Unless you solve those things, or try to. Wildhack has checked some of those things off, thankfully.) I happen to agree that 5-7 wins is enough to keep him another season. I obviously prefer the momentum of more wins, a bowl, etc - as that can roll into the next year. As a CNY native and alumnus, I agree. There’s only Orange. [/QUOTE]