Coaches know which side of the bread their butter is spread on

[SWC75]

"History will remember this period of college football as … formative. New realities smack us in the face daily. Now, in response to Florida State's 2-10 collapse, you have head coach Mike Norvell agreeing to direct a staggering $4.5 million of his $10.1 million salary to “fundraising.” LSU’s Brian Kelly, coming off an (ahem) disappointing season himself, last week offered to match up to $1 million in NIL donations. (As soon as next year, schools might be able to pay players directly, which could both limit coach salaries and cut out this weird NIL-middleman thing.) "

Florida State, Mike Norvell restructure contract to direct $4.5 million to fundraising efforts

Norvell’s Seminoles finished 2-10 this season, in one of the biggest year-over-year collapses in college football history.

www.nytimes.com

"FSU said Norvell’s contribution was voluntary. He’s due to make more than $10.1 million in 2025, according to the terms of the contract he signed in February after the Seminoles’ 13-1 season that included an ACC championship. Norvell’s Seminoles finished 2-10 this season, in one of the biggest year-over-year collapses in college football history. The money will go to Florida State’s Vision of Excellence campaign. According to the school, the initiative “seeks to immediately raise Florida State athletics to new heights of comprehensive excellence by setting ambitious goals for the future of the student-athlete experience, coaching, facilities and fan engagement.”

 

[pokercuse08]

This stuff is fascinating. I don't know if I've ever seen a better example of a free market forcing someone to redirect their own bloated salary in a more efficient manner because their own career depends on it. Coaches have always been overpaid in CFB because the money couldn't flow to the players. Now that it can flow to the players, the equation is starting to balance out.

But doesn't this just make it possible for schools to pay their players indirectly? What's stopping every factory from giving their coach a $10M raise, but stipulating that $9M of it has to go towards "fundraising" that flows to NIL?

 

[orangeinohio]

I've never completely understood using bread and butter to form an idiom about understanding where your best interests lie.
You could butter either side of the bread. Easy to flip over and get the butter on top, if you want.
That other one about the forest and trees is another one that doesn't completely make sense.

 

[Jcuse_44]

I've never completely understood using bread and butter to form an idiom about understanding where your best interests lie.
You could butter either side of the bread. Easy to flip over and get the butter on top, if you want.
That other one about the forest and trees is another one that doesn't completely make sense.

Yea, but does a bear shyte in the woods?

 

[pokercuse08]

I've never completely understood using bread and butter to form an idiom about understanding where your best interests lie.
You could butter either side of the bread. Easy to flip over and get the butter on top, if you want.
That other one about the forest and trees is another one that doesn't completely make sense.

I think knowing which side the butter is on means knowing which side of the bread to hold.

 

[orangeinohio]

Yea, but does a bear shyte in the woods?

He does when he wears a pope hat.

 

[tptcuse]

"FSU said Norvell’s contribution was voluntary. He’s due to make more than $10.1 million in 2025, according to the terms of the contract he signed in February after the Seminoles’ 13-1 season that included an ACC championship. Norvell’s Seminoles finished 2-10 this season, in one of the biggest year-over-year collapses in college football history.

Wait...Has there been a worse year-over-year collapse? Seems mathematically improbable.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I've never completely understood using bread and butter to form an idiom about understanding where your best interests lie.
You could butter either side of the bread. Easy to flip over and get the butter on top, if you want.
That other one about the forest and trees is another one that doesn't completely make sense.

Also.

Is the bread toast?

 

[SWC75]

I've never completely understood using bread and butter to form an idiom about understanding where your best interests lie.
You could butter either side of the bread. Easy to flip over and get the butter on top, if you want.
That other one about the forest and trees is another one that doesn't completely make sense.

And if you drop it, you know which side will be down!

 

[SWC75]

Also.

Is the bread toast?

Is the coach toast if he doesn't do it?

 

[SWC75]

Wait...Has there been a worse year-over-year collapse? Seems mathematically improbable.

Southern Mississippi 2011-2012

Southern Mississippi Historical Scores

 

[OttosShoes]

But doesn't this just make it possible for schools to pay their players indirectly? What's stopping every factory from giving their coach a $10M raise, but stipulating that $9M of it has to go towards "fundraising" that flows to NIL?

That's one of many reasons we need actual revenue sharing.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

That's one of many reasons we need actual revenue sharing.

And collective bargaining by a players union. It’s not rocket science it’s almost like this has happened elsewhere …

 

[OttosShoes]

And collective bargaining by a players union. It’s not rocket science it’s almost like this has happened elsewhere …

Absolutely. I'm not sure who all these folks are that are supposedly worried about amateurism while they watch the halftime truck giveaway placekick on the 360 jumbotron from their newly installed chairback seat lol.

 

[721Comstock]

And collective bargaining by a players union. It’s not rocket science it’s almost like this has happened elsewhere …

Except... the players aren't getting salaries, and are NOT employees.

Yet.

Collective bargaining and players unions, etc have exactly dick to do with people's endorsement deals.
aka - Name, Image, and Likeness.

Does LeBron have a cap on his endorsements?
Did MJ?
Tom Brady?

And IF/when players ARE employees, then how do colleges justify keeping their tax-exempt status?

This is a LOT bigger than 'just' football and hoops.

 

[OttosShoes]

Except... the players aren't getting salaries, and are NOT employees.

Yet.

Collective bargaining and players unions, etc have exactly dick to do with people's endorsement deals.
aka - Name, Image, and Likeness.

Does LeBron have a cap on his endorsements?
Did MJ?
Tom Brady?

And IF/when players ARE employees, then how do colleges justify keeping their tax-exempt status?

This is a LOT bigger than 'just' football and hoops.

I don't know if anyone is talking about capping NIL.

More like, fixing the weird and chaotic loophole that NIL paved around the whole issue of legitimate compensation, and negating the need for even more loopholes like the one FSU just found.

But yes, it's a much bigger issue; universities do risk losing at least some tax-exemption. And TBH, I can't write off the 'donation' in my season tickets, so I can't say I have a big problem if SU has to pay some property tax on the dome.

 

[SUMBA]

He does when he wears a pope hat.

I still believe that bears move their bowels in the woods. However, I do not think that this Pope is Catholic.