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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 5499367, member: 40"] Love you, IthacaBarrel, but this thread seems unproductive and premature. He looked AWFUL on that first series -- can't be debated. But then he settled down, and looked better. How good is he? Not sure -- and competition level certainly factors in. But unless I'm mistaken, this was his first live game action at either school. No need to trash a kid who by all accounts is a good teammate / leader on our squad. Clearly, Angeli is better / a superior passer, but maybe in another year or so Collins will be a difference maker. His issues seem more about mechanics, like footwork. I think he has some arm talent. [/QUOTE]