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Message: [QUOTE="Aweart23, post: 123509, member: 6"] Leadership comes from the kids that have been in the program 4 and 5 years, not from Freshman and Sophomores. How about we give the kids Doug has recruited a chance to mature into leadership roles before pronouncing him a failure for not recruiting leaders? It happens on the basketball side all the time, its just there is more talent there to hide the youth and lack of leadership from time to time. And how about the concept that maybe, just maybe, Doug's not the disciplinary that some on the board have proclaimed him to be. Did he come in and set minimum standards? Absolutely. I don't believe he has asked anything of this football team that any other Division 1 football program asks of its players. Go to class, dress up on road trips, no Hookah Bars, don't steal your teammates TV Sets, you know little things like that... [/QUOTE]